BAROTSELAND GOVERNMENT NAMED Setting the Record Straight
The Zambian Watchdog Online Newspaper has been running a series of sensational stories on Barotseland, among them the following:
The latest one published on 11th October 2011 being:
On top of that, the online paper has posted on its Website the so called “Declaratory Statement” which purports to declare that Barotseland is independent from Zambia as of 8th September 2011 and the so called “BAROTSELAND’S EMANCIPATION AND RESTORATION ORDER 2011” which also purports to be the Constitution of the Independent Barotseland.
With all due respect to the Zambian Watchdog and the source of these stories who claim to be Linyungandambo, (though some known members of Linyungandambo deny any knowledge of the information. That’s why we conclude this is the work of a disgruntled faction or individual within Linyungandambo) this series of articles is simply a big joke taken too far.
After reading literally all the comments posted in reaction to the last article “Barotseland government named”, I am convinced that someone needs to rebut the article otherwise the world will forever be denied the chance to know the truth. There is need to set the record straight! It surprises me how gullible people can be. From the comments so far posted in reaction to the article it is clear that a number of readers on the forum take this rubbish about the declaration of Barotseland Independence seriously. Another thing that has come to my realization upon reading through all those comments is the fact that there is such rampant ignorance over the Barotseland Agreement 1964 which must be counteracted by an aggressive awareness campaign to answer questions like; what is Barotseland? Who is a Lozi? How does the BA’64 benefit the Lozis? What are the implications of the BA’64 on the unitary state of Zambia? What are the implications of the abrogation of the BA’64? Etc. In any case it is not the scope of this particular article to delve into these complexities but simply to set the record straight concerning the article in question.
Reading through the series of article that I have listed above it doesn’t require a rocket scientist to quickly decipher through the absurdity of the whole story and come to the conclusion that indeed the articles are simply a big joke taken too far! Had the Zambian Watchdog made a simple verification exercise in Barotseland they would have discovered that the declaration of the independence of Barotseland, the appointment of the A.G, the circulation of the constitution and finally the so called naming of the cabinet are not a reality on the ground and certainly have not affected life in Barotseland as we know it, they are just a fallacy. All these are simply the creation of small group or most probably one individual suffering from acute self deception and living in utopian dreamland with all the time to indulge in fantasy and use the Zambian Watchdog as a platform to popularize that fantasy.
The cabinet list is most amusing to say the least. I have personally called a number of the people mentioned and without exception each of them has been caught unawares by the absurd news and denied being part of the nonsensical Barotseland Cabinet. I am convinced that over 90% of those mentioned in that list are completely unaware of the existence of such a list or indeed of a Barotseland Government in place. . Some of the names mentioned in the list of the so called Barotse Government are definitely not part of the idiotic scheme. They are too honourable and sensible to be part of it. (Mr M. Wanga, Mr M. Liuwa Mr Mwangelwa Lewanika, Mr Nyambe Namushi and Mr M. Mulope for example) Their names are just being used to add some credibility to the nonsensical scheme. One of the persons named on the list has commented in his post reacting to the article about the Cabinet;
“Now that my name appears on the Cabinet list as Secretary to the Cabinet, my earlier conclusion that this is the work of cowardly lunatic(s) is confirmed.”
A serious bid to declare Bulozi independent of Zambia can not be carried out in this childish way and this should be clear to any person who has been exposed to the basics of public administration and politics. There are genuine and credible efforts currently underway to resolve the Barotse issue. The commission of inquiry appointed by Zambia’s fifth President, especially if its terms of reference are broad enough, is one such effort. The dialogue that has been going on between the BRE and all major stakeholders like the Activist groups namely Barotse Freedom Movement (BFM), The Barotse Patriotic Front (BPF), Linyungandambo and The Movement for the Restoration of Barotseland Agreement (MOREBA) is another such effort. The up coming enlarged Barotse National Council (BNC) is hoped to be the climax of such efforts. These sensational stories about declaration, constitution and cabinet of Barotseland are just an attempt to derail progress in the real Struggle for Barotseland. The Linyungandambo faction involved in this scheme is a bunch of lunatics who must be dismissed with the scorn, contempt and ridicule that they deserve.
Mungandi wa Muwina Mungandi
Interim Secretary – MOREBA
KAOMA – Barotseland
lееее
October 15, 2011 at 10:36 pm
tell them
Lewanika
October 16, 2011 at 12:06 am
Its not fair how come I wasnt mentioned. Am prime minister. We hv cabinet in place… More when I wake up… Tulo
Anti barotse agreement
October 16, 2011 at 1:49 am
Watchdog must be very careful wit the way thy do their reporting,thy should not mislead us coz the issue of BRE is not a simple one but a very sensitive thing,why cant this agrement just be cancelled? It doesnt make sense to me,hope our new government will come up wit a permanet solution this time around. barotse cabinat for wat?
wow
October 16, 2011 at 3:09 am
Thank You Tumfweko for your BRILLIAN ANALYSIS. I think the so called ZambiaWatchdog should be monitored otherwise we will see a terrorist group forming in Zambia. its scary. zambia watchdog is inciting violence thats why the owner is hiding in Botswana. if he continues Interpo can visit him.
ingrid
October 16, 2011 at 5:17 am
finally someone who is speaking sense.
Child of the Sky
October 16, 2011 at 5:20 am
The BA64 is a very serious legal document binding all parts of Zambia together in a unitary state. Any effort to trivialise it, insult or ridicule it from any quarter may plunge the country into disunity. Wathcdog should autheticate articles they post on their blog before they actually. Watchdog has lost its place in the scheme of Zambian affairs through its one lane mindedness.
Ndoshzi
October 16, 2011 at 6:14 am
Watchdog is a very bitter media because they have lost elections and there are now for no good any more. In someways there are doing a disadvantage to the ignorant people taking their news for real.
This paper should either abandon the past and move on into the present, or they will be delegated to the archives. Their news is pathetic and serves no one’s interest.
We the people who read this paper should instead start telling them off and they will know from all comments that they are now behind current people’s mind set. We have to let the past go and start on something new. PF is in Govt and people are more interest to know what is good for them than what is the status of Politician X. World over politicians are liars and they first of all serve their own interest. Why then do you have to think of them first instead of thinking what the new Govt is bringing for your first. Parties and tribal are second to each individual and family welfare. Our politicians like using inflammatory words like Tribal, family tree etc, Not for your benefit but theirs first because they have missed their opportunities. So please don’t get carried by words from politicians. After all they don’t know you even if you are from the same tribe. You are just a ladder to use on their way up. Those who took it too personal during independence struggle were forgotten just the day they died and are lost forever even from history books. Does any tribal politician remember their families?
That’s the big Question to answer before anyone becomes too emotional with tribal politics.
Ndoshzi
October 16, 2011 at 6:16 am
!!!BE WARE OF WATCHDOG NEWS!!
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Watchdog is a very bitter media because they have lost elections and there are now for no good any more. In someways there are doing a disadvantage to the ignorant people taking their news for real.
This paper should either abandon the past and move on into the present, or they will be delegated to the archives. Their news is pathetic and serves no one’s interest.
We the people who read this paper should instead start telling them off and they will know from all comments that they are now behind current people’s mind set. We have to let the past go and start on something new. PF is in Govt and people are more interest to know what is good for them than what is the status of Politician X. World over politicians are liars and they first of all serve their own interest. Why then do you have to think of them first instead of thinking what the new Govt is bringing for your first. Parties and tribal are second to each individual and family welfare. Our politicians like using inflammatory words like Tribal, family tree etc, Not for your benefit but theirs first because they have missed their opportunities. So please don’t get carried by words from politicians. After all they don’t know you even if you are from the same tribe. You are just a ladder to use on their way up. Those who took it too personal during independence struggle were forgotten just the day they died and are lost forever even from history books. Does any tribal politician remember their families?
That’s the big Question to answer before anyone becomes too emotional with tribal politics.
Potola
October 16, 2011 at 6:49 am
The Watchdog is really keeping you guys running around like headless chickens. It seems it is the biggest media in Zambia now. Even tribal website like this one sponsored by OP is having sleepless nights. Viva Watchdog. Just check what they have today
Potola
October 16, 2011 at 6:51 am
Mungandi wa Muwina Mungandi and his Moreba has been paid 20 Million Kwacha by the PF to fight Linyungandambo and derail independence of Barotseland. The details will emerge soon
Biggie
October 16, 2011 at 6:52 am
I love the Watchdog more than my husband.
Da Enigmah
October 16, 2011 at 6:54 am
I strongly agree with (anti barotse agreement) Barotseland issue should be cancelled and let us not give wachdog a benefit of doult coz they just cant publish false things on this hot issues…….i dnt trust those guys from that land there too stingy…go watchdog give us info.
William Mulenga
October 16, 2011 at 7:20 am
WE shall always stand on this slogan, “ONE ZAMBIA ONE NATION.” No powers of hell shall ever divide us.
Honda
October 16, 2011 at 7:38 am
Makes me wonder why Tumfweko wants to question the credibility of stories carried by the ZWD. The ZWD has sources for its stories & that should not bother you as Tunfweko. I think some of you people are too quarrelsome. Why is it that the ZWD never attacks your media but you still find it right to attack them?. By the way, even the issue of the Barotseland independence, why do you get sleepless nights over this matter?. I don’t like the hypocrisy being portrayed by some Zambians. Why should we want to attack the ZWD?. They cover positive issues concerning the opposition, but what is wrong with that?. Do you expect every Zambian to agree with you?. The post newpaper & some internet media are part of the PF, but nobody is talking against them. People must get a life!.
chanetwa chanetwa
October 16, 2011 at 7:48 am
we need to hear from both sides zwd u are on the right track even tumfweko as well.
Tuso
October 16, 2011 at 8:13 am
Tumfweko… You are just Bem.ba tribalist, part of Sata’s family tree. Why are you attacking another media. ****** B.embas.
bemba tulateka
October 16, 2011 at 8:17 am
You have a challenge to administer the revoked BA,64. It was removed from the Zambian laws and western province has other ethnic groupings. even your socalled kuta ya mbo, sasikalo, etc do not have the nkoya chiefs’ represantion. Build conseus with western province first. even the new govt, appointemets are only lozis.
Donqueen
October 16, 2011 at 8:21 am
ZWD has being sensational in their reporting of issues relating to the BA agreement and this can cause chaos and mayhem if not curtailed.
As the article states,even without studying public administration a cabinet can not just be formed online or independence declared on FB and other media.
Whatever the outcome of the Chongwe inquiry,people must remain calm,focussed and resolute for a peaceful and amicable solution.
Shame on you Zambian Watch Dogs.
camp D
October 16, 2011 at 8:42 am
TUSO,,, you are a big foo l,, plzz for your sake and for the sake of your children read ones more the article,, the Man has not shown any sense of tribalist here. PIPO LIKE U TAKES US BACK TOO MUCH,, BY THE WAY WHO GAVE U CHANCE TO USE INTERNET??? DON`T BE DULL HERE. Anyway, good analyse,, we need pipo who can stand up and tell us the truth than letting these DOGS lying us everytime.
Mars
October 16, 2011 at 8:48 am
Mungandi wa Muwina Mungandi, why attacking the ZWD instead of just telling what you have as MOREBA. Viva ZWD for the job done so far. You are an alert to us of what is happening west of the country. Please don’t bother to reply to this Mungandi, we will do that for you. You just have alot to do and enganging ZWD in such issues is waste of time. Let them talk and until they talk no more. VIVA ZAMBIAN WATCH DOG!!!!!!!!!!!! WE LOVE YOU.
pedro
October 16, 2011 at 9:37 am
The watchdog have no life..
khinakho
October 16, 2011 at 9:41 am
this is nosense. All right thinking and resident barotses want independence from Zambia. MOREBA belongs to some barotses who think are too important and are bitter because they have been left out iof the new barotseland.
MOREBA are cowards and do not, and will never represent us in barotseland. The galant people mentioned in the new barotseland cabinet must be proud that trust has been vested in them.
Was it not MOREBA who cowardly gave their back to us barotse activists in january this year when we were bashed and arrested? what are they saying today?
therefore, there is only one more thing we are waiting for before we break away! we want to see if the PF GRZ will include the barpotseland in the new constitution within the 90 days. if they dont, so forget about barotseland withing zambia. we cannot be colonised by a fellow african country.
MOREBA cannot stop us. Go to the grave and ask Maxwell Mututwa, Ask all the galnts that we are not mentioning here, actually to call it indepence is wrong, we are just recalling our nation from zambia. why should zambia continue making sex with us after divourcing us? is that what this sick mugandi gandi that we do not even know want? where has he been all these years. now that he has seen the efforts of simple, not well known barotses in the name of youths pushing the agenda for barotseland this far, so now they want to show they care?
TO HELL WITH YOU MOREBA. YOU ARE FAILURES. YOUR PRESIDENT AKA FAILED AND NOW THAT HE HAS NO JOB STAY AWAY FROM THE BAROTSELAND ROAD MAP TO SELF DETERMINATION>
You are simply cheap GRZ agents who want to betray, and sell your own brothers for some pieces of silver and lust for GRZ positions.
Mr Michael SATA knows the people he has been working with all along in barotseland. He does not know you.
khinakho
October 16, 2011 at 9:44 am
this is nosense. All right thinking and resident barotses want independence from Zambia. MOREBA belongs to some barotses who think are too important and are bitter because they have been left out iof the new barotseland.
MOREBA are cowards and do not, and will never represent us in barotseland. The galant people mentioned in the new barotseland cabinet must be proud that trust has been vested in them.
TO HELL WITH YOU MOREBA. YOU ARE FAILURES. YOUR PRESIDENT AKA FAILED AND NOW THAT HE HAS NO JOB STAY AWAY FROM THE BAROTSELAND ROAD MAP TO SELF DETERMINATION>
tommy
October 16, 2011 at 11:10 am
The issue is very sensitive,which you ZWD can’t Quench it when it burns, let’s try to reason with certain issues please we are one we love our country thank God Killing of people never happened in SATA’S time because as we are talking it was going to be ZWD Headlines everyday to make sure war erupts the main issue is let’s help SATA’S new Government develop WP like any other Provinces and since ZWD knows about the issue well please come out openly and help the issue being sorted out amicably not showing like there is something bad in it.
WISE MAN 4RM DE EAST
October 16, 2011 at 11:55 am
Wks b4 20-09-2011 i stopped going to this site because they are too buy-ass oles they are joke and so is what they report just as much i would like these tribelists to f**k off its important they follow the rit path. Tongas are good unlike Lozis who think that western province is theirs. You idiots are oppressed by anyone?
DK
October 16, 2011 at 12:01 pm
LET THE COMMISSION OF ENQUIRY APPOINTED BY HIS EXCELLENCE WORK WITHOUT INTERRUPTION SO THAT GOD CAN GUIDE ALL OF US!
Donqueen
October 16, 2011 at 12:48 pm
@Khinako.You are a very troubled young man who needs Psychiatry help.
You are bitter with little or no education and jealous of anyone with education or life experience.
A lot of bloggers are mature and want to give the commission of inquiry a chance to see the way forward.
Then you can agree or disagree with the findings.
Get yourself some help before that anger consumes you!
I do not see secession in this life time of yours but semi autonomy is a likelihood.
concerned zambian
October 16, 2011 at 12:56 pm
GUD response, watchdog is just trying to get popular, how can they print an irrelevant article. what are they upto, i always say that Zambia is full of people who believe in unity, thank you brother for answering this loner who misled us initially.
OXMOS
October 16, 2011 at 1:39 pm
LET US HAVE A REFERANDUM AND SEE IF THEY WILL WIN. INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR THE INQUIRY SO THAT PEOPLE WHO KILLED THE INOCENT SOULS ARE BROUGHT TO BOOK YOU ARE BUSY TRYING HARD TO BRING CHAOS…IDOT ZWD
Mwenya capetown
October 16, 2011 at 2:10 pm
Barotseland independence my foot. Am tired of ifimadigrantled lozis who think they can use that against the peace loving Zambians when ever they are unhappy about something.Just imagine what would happen if suddenly bembas also demanded independence of the bemba territories from Zambia? Watchdog stop your bushe,,and do your part in national building bafikala.Otherwise bembas and lozis must fight and if lozis loose,the leave the country.
joseph manda
October 16, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Tumfweko, that is a brilliant observation, I salute you. As most of us, we do not know much what is actually meant by Barotseland agreement.We do not understand it really. We need much more sensitization on this issue or else poeple with selfish motives will robe us the peace. What you have highlighted is exctly what is neeeded at the time being.Please, please, please educate us more…..before selfish individuals impact wrong concepts about the whole issue.
DISGRUNTLED LOZIS
October 16, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Disgruntled & lazy lozis on this blog. what is so special about the other ‘developed’ provinces in Zambia? Don!t be silly u guyz. Jst work hard like the others to develop your province, rather than fueling for violence in unexpecting & uninformed villagers.
Boogie
October 16, 2011 at 6:41 pm
Lozis themselves are partly to blame for the lack of development in Western province as they do not like people from other provinces setting up busineses there.
MIZ
October 16, 2011 at 7:18 pm
viva watchdog,,,,you are bigger than tufweko and kachepa
MMBtalk
October 16, 2011 at 8:20 pm
Watchdog has become Witchdog
khinakho
October 16, 2011 at 9:42 pm
Donqueen, what a language you have! thinking of jelousy, anger and calling us uneducated? then you might as well call all barotse activists this way!If you think we need pyschtric help, then you and who ever belives in you have failed to offer it in the last 47 years.its very common to call people who are in need of justice and freedom, the way you are calling us.Michael Sata understands us, thats why he is dealing dilently with us, not you guys. our advise is simple, this issue must be sorted out NOW.
in case some people are too ignorant becuse KK kept yoyu in the dark all those years he was president so much that you did not even know that Zambia is a UNION of Two nations, we want to tell some of you that there is no succession here guys. No one is even thing of it. It is called ” GOING BACK TO OUR STATUS BEFORE WE MADE THE MISTAKE OF SURRENDERING OUR SOVERINITY to form a country called Zambia. we also know that some of you benifted from our union to form zambia that should Barotseland GO, you will not even be refgarded citizens of Northern Rhodesia, or whatever it will be called, because you ran away from Malawi!
Leave us alone, and MOREBA leave WATCHDOG out of it! they were with us all alone when all of you were balcklisting our sturggle.
Mind You
October 17, 2011 at 8:46 am
Mungandi, thanx for putting record straight. ZWD schemed to divide Zambia thru hate and unsubstantiated stories by UPND to derail the national agenda to have a popular PF rule. BA issue has been misinterpreted deliberately by ZWD and UPND to disadvantage Western Province. The Lozis are too intelligent to be used by tribalist parties and disgruntled media. PF shall be stronger in WP more than ever before whether ZWD and UPND likes it or not. Remember ZWD lied to the nation that HE MCS collapsed in WP. What was the motive? ZWD and UPND are shameless liars. Thanks for HE MCS’s wisdom to set up commission of enquiry over Mongu killings which were celebrated by ZWD thru their editorials. More ZWD lies will be exposed.
naine ni nvelenikoni
October 17, 2011 at 9:09 am
All this lozi shit makes no sense to me. Surely, there are some disgruntled lozis and one main tonga bitter man who is behind all this confusion. LOZIS, WAKE UP!! How can u allow pipo to ride on your backs as though u are foolish?? Let pipo fight their own battles, dont be used!! Find out where your missing brothers, nephews, uncles, fathers and sons are, when the former government opened fire on u, instead of being dragged into ******, foolish, cheap, idiotic politics!!! Atase!
Chomba M
October 17, 2011 at 9:20 am
Congratulation for appointment to Barotse Cabinet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
philosopher
October 17, 2011 at 9:41 am
Hey guiz! We keep arguing about things that bring more confusion!A system has been put in place by the president to address the BA’64.And these issues of bemba’s,lozis,tonga’s are just nuts! What do you achieve when you shit on a king tonga?F*cking bemba,f**king koi-koi makololo, like me?We are one and need each other.One common enemy in Zambia is poor living conditions.Can we begin to debate on such lines and talk about success?Many places in ZED are bad news.Talk of eastern province,luapula.Northern,Western and north-west.And we are arguing on the blog just like that?Lets leave this Watchdog alone.They behave like weekly express – a propaganda newspaper in the 1991 elections.But propaganda is better done during elections.There is plenty of good data that these Doggers can bring up in Sata’s government.Wait for Post to start hammering H.E MCS on serious issues.Everyone will start seeing sense.Post is strong because of good media strategy,though they can be confusing at times.But above all their journalism meets most people’s aspirations no matter how tricky they become.Issues,issues,issues and not tribal tantrums at each other!
TOP MAN
October 17, 2011 at 9:43 am
Barotseland ;you guys you cannot clam land given to you by a foreigner and living fellow ingigenous without specific land this is bad;all african belongs to africa and the issue of borders is brought by the some foreigner who are whites to make african divide and they rules us like chicken and freely collect our resources-becos they know african are still slaves.
this shit agreement u made with whoever foreigner who is not ingigenous to africa thro it in the bin’he had a plan to come and divide us and make us fight for our africa- we need to unite u will soon see people start fighting one another and some foreigner will turn around to bring in NATO to defend the minority-they want to create wars in all most all countries in the world for them to achieve one government by 2012; this is a long term plan they left behind to cos conflix; u cant see almost wars in north africa and the middle east that them foreigner started it and failed to stop it;now who do trust who.
better thru the agreement in the bin.
The Patriot
October 17, 2011 at 9:56 am
This issue will not go away because some people not comfortable with it. It requires sorting out NOW just the way H.E Sata has done. Let us wait for the outcome of the commission of inquiry. Please dont speak from ignorancy but research on the issue. Find out what happened at independence. Why is it that it only Western Province that has an Agreement not the rest of Zambia? Follow that up with, why is that SIR MWANAWINA LEWANIKA THE THIRD ,K.B.E., Litunga of Barotseland and KENNETH DAVID KAUNDA, Prime Minister of Northern Rhodesia had to signe the Agreement before the birth of Zambia as a country? So then, what was the status of Barotseland now Western province before independence? So people, information is out there, lets get understanding of the issue so we are knowledgeable. Meawhile, let the commission of inquiry do its job to find a lasting solution and bring to book those that killed on that fateful day. Loss of human life should be regreted and circumstances probed that led to that.
Mulozi tota
October 17, 2011 at 2:15 pm
The BA1964 is not about separation! It brought about the unity of Northern Rhodesia and Barotseland as one country. Talking of separation is TREASON. Be careful.
Zambian
October 17, 2011 at 11:37 pm
Mungandi, My brother, is it true you recieved cash from PF to sell your brothers and sisters? If this is true, how could you surely sell your brothers in this manner? Look now, all oppornunists are jumping on the band wagon thinking it’s their chance to fuel their propaganda.
Gabriel
October 18, 2011 at 9:59 pm
bulozi ki bwaluna. noko iile amulufe zeli zaluna. alutokwi lindwa nimutu.
Mwanawina L.
October 20, 2011 at 3:33 pm
barotseland is ours don’t tryna say shit about it.. idiots
My Neighbor
October 25, 2011 at 12:10 pm
We have had no peace and access t self rule since abrogation of a well meant agreement. it is the affected wh0 feel if and they sup0rt the brave fr the right c0urse. this is a matter 0f terit0rial right and N0 bitter w0rds can put it 0ff. d0nt intimidate but attent t0 the need. we will still be neighb0rs
kk
November 12, 2011 at 4:37 pm
****** zambians against Barotseland … leave them we nid to be human enough these pipo have rejected us..not to listen to them is a sin. They r stil our brothers.
miko hara
March 28, 2012 at 3:17 pm
this tumfweko shit is another bemba crap
Sad That Brothers have Separated
April 1, 2012 at 10:09 pm
PF GVT must ask the Litunga if this is possible. Otherwise let them separate after all they have clearly indicated that they do not need Zambia. In other words they can manage without Zambia. Let them be. They do not want us Zambians. But they must compensate the following: lambas, Luvales and lundas, nkoyas, lundas of luapula, mbundas, solis, lenjes of Swakas lalas, the list is endless. They must compensate the chiefs in these regions for taking mineral royalty for minerals dug on lamba teritory. It is like selling your neighbor’s property to a stranger without letting him know. Your Excellence MCS,let them be. Though it is not all lozis who are for thes idea. Some of our brothers there indeed will choose between Zambia and Barotseland. Your Excellence allow them to vote so that they separate peacefullly without civil unrest. At least they have clearly indicated their boundary , no lamba land will be snatched away and no other land will be repossesed.May God bless Zambia our beloved peaciful nation