Comments on: UNRULY Ndola SOLDIERS Under Serious INVESTIGATIONS

By: Alport

Alport — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 22:11:41 +0000

Whatever the case sodiers should not behave this way this is thugary & indispiline. Its vry common for sodiers to rescue & and beat police this way. The is no jail for sodiers in Zambia. Their are Gaurd room jst for the barracks. A comtept is ordered by the court . Should the police make a distiction even a minister can go to jail for comtept. This comtept was committed bcz of indicipiline but the refusal by this officer to break cell shows that he know he is not above the law. This is a civil criminal case not a millitary criminal case. Afterall the civil court are better that court martials the stadards are better. But they are no jails for sodiers. Guard rooms only exist for dicispline not for crimes.If a sodier steals or beat someone away frm wars civil courts are used. Are the police wrong one maybe sometimes not this time. I HOPE this kind of behaviour which threaten nation security would not repeat its self.sodiers should know that they should behaviour to avoid cells or jail bcz even police are arrested. And jailed.

By: paul

paul — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 12:43:18 +0000

Fellow Zambian Contempt of Court is a criminal offence c/sec of the penal code.Soldiers have no powers of arrest under this act. The affected soldier was not wanted for offences against discipline under defence act by a millitery tribunal, but by civil court where any one can appear weather police officer, army officer, soldier, minister ps e.t.c regardles status in society provided one has committed a criminal offence. The only thing police officers can do is to inform there superiors. There is nothing like lifting of immunity except for former head of states otherwise there is no special law for them. If there is any pls furnish the police with same so that this does not repeat itself. what procedure are you talking about? The issue of uniform ask them if they do not detain each other in uniforms. the trueth of the matter is that they do. Even sock each other in mad water in the same uniforms. Tell each other to roll on the ground or frog jump in thier socked uniforms. To them human rights doesnot count!

By: Lundazi Dweller

Lundazi Dweller — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 08:10:01 +0000

@Walasa Nafufti when you go to the USA or Britain you will find that some families have been in the Army from their grandparents and great grand parents generation. Is that because of corruption? I think we have enough commission of enquiry. The soldiers can be dealt with by the command. Next time you will have police officers harassing the Army regional commander and say its ok because they are mandated. You should ask those at the task force what procedure they were following in arresting even retired Gen Musengule. These things have laws. But Iam not surprised as many police officers do not understand procedure. Which fortunately in the army is cardinal.

By: teizie tamira

teizie tamira — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 07:04:35 +0000

It may be all smiles wen the policemen conduct themselves in such a manner,even the flies sits arround the lion’s mouth wen its sleeping.Am urging them to conduct such issues proffessionally ,shud not be excited.There are laid procedures wen handling uniform personnel.

By: ZEKA

ZEKA — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 05:43:28 +0000

Malabishi
Police, good you recieved nice beatings.
Malabishi

By: walasa nafuti

walasa nafuti — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 05:33:28 +0000

I’m sure those unruly soldiers were corruptly enlisted in the army. Most unruly soldiers in our barracks are related to high ranking army officers. HEMCS should set up a Commission of Inquiry to look at recruitment in the Army

By: Eric Toya Toya

Eric Toya Toya — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 19:56:56 +0000

Awe babachita bwino ba buju, bamapusa maningi coz sabafuna negotiation unless kucheka kan’gono.

By: peace

peace — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 19:51:08 +0000

interesting situation.
1 can a soldier be detained in a civilian cell because u have removed his shoes and more important his ranks ( reduced him to a private) which is also a rank.
do police men have the power to remove the ranks(from a commissioned officer)commissioned by the president and the police man only passed out by inspector of police or minister of home affairs,
was the section that come to rescue the commander in order especially that he was ill treated (mind you officers even when captured in war[front-line] still never tortured by enemies)
why was not the warrant of arrest (contempt of court)given to the army who could have sent a signal the all Zambia to bring this erring officer?
this case has implications were there no police by just military presence like Kaputa.INTERESTING CASE

By: mutabaruka

mutabaruka — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 18:01:35 +0000

If u av no confidence in the police, ignore them.If u av no confidence in the army, ignore them too.surely there’s need to apreciate the freedom,security and peace enjoyed in our beautiful motherland.its all bcoz of the security wings lets respect them and the law too. PUT AN END to inflamatory statements that wud bring hate,ridicule and anarchy in this country amongst the security wings. who the cap fit let them wear it. no one is above the law

By: paul

paul — Thu, 01 Dec 2011 16:19:23 +0000

Soldiers are trained to defend the nation from foreign enemies and police are trained to defend citizens from local criminals armed or un armed.Fellow Zambians Contempt is criminal case that arises from the courts of law. Normally it comes to the police officers as a court order populary known as warrant of arrest. In this cases police officers were acting on court orders , simply excuting a warrant of arrest.just being obedient to lawful authority a very important institution in a democracy like ours. We are a constitutional democracy were every body is equal before the law and equal protection of the law. This is the resason why sometimes when criminals are confroted by angry mob they run to police officers so that their lives are protected but face charges for offences commited. They have the right to life even if they are criminals. In short soldiers are not above the law no matter what excuse. We are equal before the law. All political rigthts and civil rights are justiceable like in this case if the right to liberty was arbitrary taken away from that soldier who was put in cells he can seek civil litigation against the state and the arresting officer for wrongful detetion or malicious prosecution. Instead of soldiers detenting the image of our army by taking law in their on hands.