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‘SATA, Catholic Bishops State Your Positions On HOMOSEXUALS Unlike Remaining MUTE’
State your Position ! Sata
It is also surprising to note that the ever outspoken Catholic Bishops have remained mute over this issue and many Zambians wonder whether they are in ‘indirect’ support of this ambiguous state.
One wonders where and how the same people advocating for gay rights were born. In case they didn’t know, they were born because a man and woman married.
UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon was here in Zambia and at no time did we see him with a male partner, He came with his wife. Many Zambians wonder why Ban Ki Moon is advocating for gay rights and yet where he comes from in his country there is no such nuisance.
I conquer with what comrade Mugabe said about the west and there gay rights and i quote “Nature is nature. It has created male and female,” Mugabe told thousands of supporters at his 88th birthday celebration at a stadium in the eastern border town of Mutare.
“You David Cameron, are you suggesting that you don’t know that or is it some kind of insanity or part of the culture of Europeans.
“In their newspapers, that’s one of my sins. That I called (gays) worse than pigs and dogs because pigs know there are males and females. It’s even in the Bible that you create through the system of marrying.
“That’s how we were born, so we reject that outright and say to hell with you. I won’t even call him a dog because my own dog will complain and say, but what have I done.”
“Please, young men and women, you don’t have the freedom for men to marry men and women to marry women. You have the freedom for men to marry women. That’s God’s freedom. That’s what created you and me.”It seems Mugabe speaks sense on this one and one wonders why our very own outspoken Sata has decided to remain mute.
Mugabe has for decades ranted against homosexuality.
Today comrade Mugabe seems to be the only African leader who seem to have stood his ground and a lot of us well meaning Zambians and others will surely embrace him. Yes Mugabe might be stubborn but his stubbornness on gay rights is something worth admiring unlike our leaders who are mute!.
As much as Zambians agree that sexual orientation is not a choice but a complex interplay of both biological and environmental factors, homosexuality is both unnatural and dysfunctional. It is a good example of an abnormal variation in human sexuality. Legalizing homosexuality is a sign of a not being well-meaning and not wanting to uphold that which we hold sacred.
The Zambian people demand to know your position as government, the Zambian people demand to know your position as Catholic Bishops.
The PF government and Catholic Bishops should state their position now. Their quietness is an indication that all is well with them !
Edwin Zimba
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Gina
February 29, 2012 at 9:24 am
Carolina Rodriguez is the office sl-ut / pros-tit-ute at the Ottawa Zambian Mission
Advocate
February 29, 2012 at 10:14 am
I suppose the west is looking at us and celebrating that they have achieved in getting us talking about homosexuality. Consider the following:
1. In Zambian homosexuality, bestiality, defilement, rape and GBV are all undeniably rampant and on the rise. These all are illegal, unnatural, un cultural, un religious (whatever religion there is in this country) and are punishable by law.
2. If in Zambia anyone will be arrested and punished / rehabilitated for marrying more than one partner, defilement, bestiality and conduct likely to cause breach of peace, Why should a homosexual be let loose and given (“wrongs”) rights? Why should BAN Ki-moon be allowed to come here and expose “conduct like to cause breach of peace” and hosted for a banquette?
3. There is no such thing as Gay right. Like the able lawyer Mumba Kapumpa put it on radio. there are only human right and not defiler right, sodomists rights, Homosexual rights and all these wrong wrongs!
4. We MUST arrest and persecute anyone who come to breach our peace, advocate for homosexuals to be adored (in the same group as defilers.) beginning with Mr. Ban Ki-moon. He should not only apologize but be arrested for advocating for our citizens to break our law, culture, religion nature and all there is for us to believe in. Our laws are for everyone within the bounds to abide by.
5. Join me in the “black ribbon campaign” against homosexuality and denouncing BAN Ki-moon!
6. Lets us all take this self imposed intrinsic freedom to discriminate and isolate dehumanize homosexuals, defilers, rapists. Let us punish, rehabilitate and pray for them and our most beautiful land Zambia!
NORTHWESTERN POWER
February 29, 2012 at 10:15 am
Mr President Michael Chilufya Sata & yo Patriotic Front government u need to state yo positions on the gay rights,so that u clear the minds of the Zambians as its a Christian Nations,If u keep quite the people in the nation will say u re siding with the fool (SG)who came with his foolish agenda.if were Ban Ki Moon come from there re no moles sorry this Zambia the land of the LORD GOD,u can even tie it to aid we will not not ask for yo wicked aid keep it to yo self.GOD BLESS MOTHER ZAMBIA
Mike
February 29, 2012 at 10:33 am
It appears Dora Siliya and Chanda Chimba the third knew what was coming…..?? Am starting to reflect!
mrs kabwe
February 29, 2012 at 10:48 am
THIS IS TOTAL MADNESS
Chisenga
February 29, 2012 at 10:52 am
I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT. BAN KI MOON WAS SIMPLY STATING THE UN POSITION. IT IS UP TO EACH GOVERNMENT TO ACCEPT OR IT OR NOT. EVEN THE US SOMETIMES REJECTS SOME UN RESOLUTIONS.
SATA HAS A POSITION WHICH WE ALREADY KNOW. HE TOLD YOU THAT IF HE WAS GAY, HOW COME HE HAS A FEMALE WIFE AND HAS CHILDREN? SOME PEOPLE HOPE TO GAIN POLITICAL MILAGE OUT OF THIS.
EVEN IF SATA SAYS THAT ZAMBIA DOES NOT SUPPORT HOMOSEXUALITY YOU WILL NOT STOP TALKING. REMEMBER IT WAS USED AGAINST SATA LAST ELECTIONS. DORA EVEN WENT TO THE EXTENT OF INVITING MEN TO TOUCH HER BUMS ETC. BUT IT NEVER WORKED.
YES AS CHRISTIANS WE TOTALLY REJECT HOMOSEXUALITY. AND WE ARE FIGHTING A LOSING BATTLE IN THESE LAST DAYS. SO THE CHURCH SHOULD EMPHASIZE ON SCRIPTURAL TEACHINGS. IN THE WEST SOME PRIESTS AND SOME PEOPLE NOW CLAIM THAT IT IS ACTUALLY BIBLICAL TO BE GAY. EVENTUALLY WE WILL BE FORCED TO SUCCUMB. BUT MAY IT NOT HAPPEN IN OUR DAY.
M'nkonto weSizwe
February 29, 2012 at 11:32 am
@ Chisenga, l love your comments my Man. Just as many zambians who have denounced this gay thing, as a christian l know these are the last days as prophesied by the bible but as you have said chisenga, may it never happen in my days. Ofcourse, just coz the bible has prophesied doesn’t mean we should allow it.
Kwakwa
February 29, 2012 at 11:41 am
Leave Sata alone and out of this. Why are you so much at pain that he has decided to remain silent about this. You just want to misunderstand him on whatever he will try to state. Mr. President thats the way to go. Zambians are just a problem. Shaaaa
francis Chewe Bwalya
February 29, 2012 at 12:02 pm
The hypocrisy of the west
The recent pronouncement by the UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon on his visit imploring Zambia to recognise the rights of gays is a shocker!
A few Months ago Hillary Clinton is on record for going as far as saying they ( the West ) would not give aid to countries that do not recognise these gay rights
Ban Ki Moon must be cognisant of the fact that Africa has very strong traditional belief which should also be recognised and Africans have the right to have these beliefs. What is taboo in America/North Korea (Polygamy) is acceptable in majority of Africa .What is Taboo in most of Africa (Homosexuality) is acceptable in Hillary’s home town and not in my home Chamboli, Kitwe Zambia.
While in Africa the polygamous marriage is traditionally acceptable and some African countries have constitutions which prohibit polygamy, this is in itself is an accepted norm in the African society
Argument will wage on as to whether the enlightened ‘modern African’ would agree to this. Indeed Moon and Hillary will vehemently condemn Polygamy. In the African society this is common and as much as people would scoff at it, it is there and has been in practice before our time, Fact! Well if it is permissible for two men or women to get married in the eyes of Moon and Hillary as it is traditionally become norm in her country, then it is indeed permissible for them to legalise polygamy in America as it does in no way defy any of the principles of ’human rights’. His quest to export lesbianism and homosexuality to Africa is another effort by the west of imposing on the African conditions that will relegated Africa to the lowest moral ebb, yet again! What is acceptable to them is not necessarily acceptable to Africa.
These utterances must be condemned by the church, government and all people that understand the right for Africa to choose its own moral pathway. Imagine what Hillary would say if her hubby Bill said he would like to take a couple of more wives or an African gay man wanted to marry seven men. Hell would break loose. Jesus Come quickly.
Francis Chewe Bwalya
afcon phiri
February 29, 2012 at 12:12 pm
The author of this article, Edwin Zulu deliberately included the Catholic Bishops so that he could subject them to redicule and insults for his own satisfation and ego. well i leave judgement to God the rightous judge lest i fall into temptation.
Mugabe
February 29, 2012 at 12:24 pm
In Zimbabwe we call him “Ban Krupt Moon”. The man is morally banrupt and has nothing to offer to humanity. He has no developmental agenda.
So, Zambia is wasting parliament time with such a man? Discussing (illicit) sex? What happened to more money and more jobs? What about the Christian nation?
That is why in Zimbabwe we are consistent with leadership even if it mean we develop slowly but surely one day we will be there.
000000000000
February 29, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Indeed its the last days the bible has talked abt,lets jst wait & see.Zambians, we lyk concluding. Patience people! This doesnt mean that he has accepted, he is still thinking.
showment
February 29, 2012 at 4:09 pm
I have wondering why everyone is wasting so much time on this gay right topic from the time Ban ki Moon came to Zambia.
Am a catholic myself and we have a stance to respect each and every human being which i also subscribe to personally. I believe the borne of contention here is to respect each and every human being. Pipo who are engage themselves in gay activities, thieves, hules etc need to be helped. We shud accept the fact that these vices exist and no one supports stealing, prostitution, homosexuality etc. What we say in our for example is that we are not going to chase away pipo who are involved in such activities but instead try and help them that does not mean we are legalizing them, please differentiate between promoting wrong doing and respecting pipo’s rights irrespective of who they are, they are still human and are not animals- help them!
Reason
February 29, 2012 at 4:34 pm
I’d rather Africa remains poor with morals rather than poor and without morals!
maposa
February 29, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Chanda chimba was very right about PF and homosexuality.
We understand the publicity department(post) of the PF is owned by a homosexual and has a law degree also.
LAZ has stated that its a felony and one can be imprisoned for not less tha 15 years or life sentence if proved otherwise.
So now ,can the law visit this departmental owner.
Lemon
February 29, 2012 at 8:21 pm
children of god will never lose, we have hope and we believe this is total satanism, our eyes are wide open, prayer is the only way to such confusions Zambian comrades. we won’t buy that evil voice of k moon.
Chikala
February 29, 2012 at 9:50 pm
I the most disappointed zambian to have voted for Sata, any way he promissed to rule Zambia according to the ten commandments, let him fool God
MICHAEL
March 1, 2012 at 9:09 am
can someone confirn Bangki did not come with AA WIFE, IS HE MARRIED TO A MAN, LET HIM COME AND CLAIM HE IS MARRIED TO AN ***** WHO WOULD BE IN THIS CASE A DEAD MALE
MICHAEL
March 1, 2012 at 9:10 am
can someone confirm Bangki did not come with A WIFE, IS HE MARRIED TO A MAN, LET HIM COME AND CLAIM HE IS MARRIED TO AN ***** WHO WOULD BE IN THIS CASE A DEAD MALE
dollar silly yaa"""""
March 1, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Michael has better things to talk about not to talk about pipo who behave worse than animals[gays[
KANGACHEPE
March 1, 2012 at 1:53 pm
IT IS CLEAR THE WORLD IS CHANGING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.ZAMBIANS OF GOODWILL WILL NOT ACCEPT WHAT THE WEST WANTS TO IMPOSE ON US. UNCLE BOB(i.e. H.E. PRESIDENT MUGABE) CALLS THESE QUACKS TO BE “WORSE THAN DOGS AND PIGS”. WE ARE HUMAN BEINGS AND NOT ANIMALS- INFACT ANIMALS DO NOT PRACTICE GAY STUFF, THEREFORE PRESIDENT MUGABE IS RIGHT 100%. YOU SEE BROTHERS AND SISTERS MR BAN KI-MOON WAS JUST YAPPING WHAT HIS BOSSES TOLD HIM TO DO EVERYWHERE HE GOES, IT IS A GIVE AND TAKE SITUATION FOR BAN, EITHER HE SINGS HIS MASTERS’ SONG OR HE LOSSES HIS JOB. FOR SURE THESE ARE THE LAST DAYS- “DO NOT GIVE THE DEVIL A FOOTHOLD” THE BIBLE SAYS. TO ACCEPT SUCH NONSENSE WILL BE A DIRECT ATTACK ON OUR CONSTITUTION WHICH STATES CLEARLY THAT ZAMBIA IS A CHRISTIAN NATION- NO SECULAR! I BELIEVE PRESIDENT SATA AND THE PF ARE JUST BEING CAUTIOUS HOW THEY TRED THIS SENSITIVE PATH- EXAMPLES OF ABUSE BY EMPERIALISTS ABOUND OF COUNTRIES WHO HAVE COME OUT STRAIGHT AGAINST GAY PROMOTION e.g ZIMBABWE, MALAWI. IF WE ARE NOT CAREFUL INCEST WILL BE IMPOSED ON US OR EVEN WALKING NAKED IN PUBLIC WILL BE A HUMAN RIGHT! PLEASE ALL GOOD ZAMBIAN CITIZENS LET US FIGHT THIS NONSENSE WILL VIGOUR AND TENACITY.YOU SEE, IT IS ALSO TRUE THAT ” THERE IS NOTHING HONOURABLE ABOUT POVERTY”. HOWEVER, I WANT TO THANK THE OLD MAN KK WHO TAUGTH US ZAMBIANS TO REALISE OUR SELWORTH AND VALUE- I WILL NOT BE ABUSED OR ENSLAVED JUST BECOZ AM POOR. NGAMULE FWAYA SENDENI UTUNDALA TWENU MWITUTEKA IMFINE, BASOPO!
Henry
March 1, 2012 at 2:42 pm
I find dragging the catholic church in this to be both irrisponsible and illconsived.First of all the Catholic church is not a one man show which responds to anything or comments on anything without proper scrutiny and prayer.Secondly the church is very clear on this topic.First of all Fr.Frank Bwalya though does not represent the church made a statement,secondly before elections the church stated that it does not support or advocate for homosexuality but it recognises that homosexuals were created in the image of God and should be given treatment which is given to any human being,that is what we call respecting human rights.
I wish also to state that this country is not for Michael Sata and his ministers.It is therefore important that the governmet stays away from this topic untill the debate is exosted by people(that is called democracy).Should we arrest whoever makes a negative comment against Sata just because it is offensive to the president?No,that is called freedom of expression.In my opinion if two concenting adults engage in hosexuality,it is their choice,what harm will it do to you people who are so upright and without sin.This loud cry on homosexuality to me is a sign that most Zambian are Morally weak and could be havin funny sexual orientation hence the fear that they will be caught up in the mess.
Human right are human rights whether they are for the majority or the minority.All those claiming to be anti homosexual campaigner should not forget to include fonication,adultery and theft on there campaign and should advocate that all those caght in adultery or fonication or theft(even at work) should be killed by stonning.why implement some laws while leaving out others?is it hypocrisy?
clement muyawala
March 1, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Its Sad that the people who are suppose to give us direction have remained mute over the issue of homosexuality. For us zambians lets not support this nuisance for bak moon is he married to man or woman? or his country of origin do they support homosexuality lets be carefull with these western cultures which they want to impose on us.Lets only support biblical way of living as we are called the christian nation.
Brave 1 Africa
March 1, 2012 at 4:09 pm
When Ban Ki Moon was coming to our beloved Country there was excitement for the leader of this here intra govermental organisation and people were eager to hear what he had to say over development and what direction our country desperately wants to go.Then he opened his yap about homosexuality and all the excitement went down the toilet and left little to be desired. How can a leader of such an influencial organisation like the UN just focus on such useless libidos for wromg people in the head? Is he going to tell us next that Defilement should be respected also, Pedophilers are the future.Zambia should be careful with these western cultures that want to destroy instead of build, in California homosexuals can’t marry and there is division among their society. Why does he want to transfer anarchy and chaos to us? Ban Ki Moon should come out and tell us why he not married to his fellow man instead of pretending to be happily heterosexual? We are proud of the stance taken by most Africa Country on Gays or Lesbians or whatever they want to be called I think it brave to not recognise faggots ?
Brave 1 Africa
March 1, 2012 at 4:11 pm
When Ban Ki Moon was coming to our beloved Country there was excitement for the leader of this here intra govermental organisation and people were eager to hear what he had to say over development and what direction our country desperately wants to go.Then he opened his yap about homosexuality and all the excitement went down the toilet and left little to be desired. How can a leader of such an influencial organisation like the UN just focus on such useless libidos for wromg people in the head? Is he going to tell us next that Defilement should be respected also, Pedophilers are the future.Zambia should be careful with these western cultures that want to destroy instead of build, in California homosexuals can’t marry and there is division among their society. Why does he want to transfer anarchy and chaos to us? Ban Ki Moon should come out and tell us why he not married to his fellow man instead of pretending to be happily heterosexual? We are proud of the stance taken by most Africa Country on Gays or Lesbians or whatever they want to be called I think its brave to not recognise faggots ?
nkweto
March 1, 2012 at 7:36 pm
in zambia we shall never allow ****** things to happen,am a pf supporter but iwil never ,never support labish policies,for the west they shud keep silly things to them selves.MR PRESIDENT LOOK AT THJE CROSS ,HOW JESUS SUFFER US,NEVER SHUD PF GVT ALLOW ABOMINATION IN OUR COUNTRY
BLACK MUNTU
March 1, 2012 at 10:43 pm
UN CG MUST BE OUT OF HIS MIND AND NEEDS TO APOLOGISE TO GODS PEOPLE (ZAMBIANS) FOR THE “INSULT”.I WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK ALL THE ZAMBIANS WHO HAVE STOOD ON THE PRINCIPLE OF THE CHRISTIAN DOCTRINES AND SPOKE AGAINST THE RECOGNITION OF HOMOSEXUALITY IN OUR BELOVED COUNTRY-ZAMBIAN.IT’S MY HOPE AND TRUST THAT IN FUTURE WE SHALL STAND AND REFUSE TO WELCOME EVIL MEN AND WOMEN INCLUDING NGO AND GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL INTO OUR COUNTRY,TO COME AND POLLUTE THE MINDS OUR PEOPLE.LET US ALL AGREE THAT MR BAN KI-MOON WILL NEVER BE WELCOMED TO INTO ZAMBIA AGAIN UNTIL HE REPENTS!!!!! ZAMBIA WILL REMAIN A UNITED CHRISTIAN NATION.GOD BLESS OUR GREAT NATION,ZAMBIA-ZAMBIA-ZAMBIA.
Go Beyond Religion: The Evolution Theorist
March 2, 2012 at 11:59 am
Aren’t these same chaps the ones you brought the bible…ask them who wrote it…this should tell you something about the authenticity of the document you hold dear…so please go beyond reason…not just superficial analysis….ati King James Version? atase…who the hell was this dude to ordain a compilation of “great tales ever told” for all humanity…they are not telling us something: the truth!
Homosexuality is not normal, it’s inhuman and unnatural
Damms
March 2, 2012 at 7:45 pm
OPpppppsssss!!!
We are in the last days. IF IT IS GOD, FOLLOW HIM. IF IT IS SATAN, FOLLOW HIM.
Dread360
March 3, 2012 at 1:43 pm
This is insanity and am wondering why the P.F govt hasnt commented on it yet.As a true Patriotic Zambian,i will uphold my morals by saying no to this SHIT!!!!To hell with Ban Fi Moron…
Evaluator
March 3, 2012 at 10:47 pm
U.S. Under Secretary for Political Affairs Wendy Sherman will visit Zambia next week.
Sherman who started her African tour today (Saturday) will also visit Nigeria, Angola, Malawi and Kenya.
A statement by the US government says in Zambia, Sherman will be the highest ranking U. S. official to visit President Michael Sata after Zambia’s peaceful democratic transition in September 2011.
“She will meet with senior government officials, civil society leaders and journalists to discuss issues, including reform, the economy and elections.’’
It stated that the Under Secretary would hold discussions with national leaders to underscore U. S. interests and strengthen collaborative efforts that promote good governance, economic growth, regional security, social development and human rights.
Zambia is a christian nation
March 3, 2012 at 10:48 pm
Zambia needs prevailing prayers 24/7.
mulemule
March 4, 2012 at 7:02 pm
The fact that the government and the Catholic bishops have remained mute does not imply they are for the idea. What does silence mean for you bamambala?
gonzallez
March 5, 2012 at 4:15 pm
before saying anything its good to think,thats how a wise man/woman behaves.their is a lot at play its not only about saying yes or no to gayism,am sure sata wont agree to that.
A C Analyst
March 5, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Ruling the country according to Biblical Ten Commandments? How do you let Ban Ki Moon make Sodomic statements in your country and you keep quite?
Allan
March 16, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Last days.No gay rights in Zambia!Sata be careful with the citizens!
richardson
March 20, 2012 at 4:37 pm
if you cant be part of it why talking about it
Johny Bravo
April 18, 2012 at 5:23 pm
The whole thing is ******. why do you want the whole president to be involved. The ordained men of the cloth to be involved? what is wrong with you people? At the end of it all every one has the right to chose what they want. Our archaic laws may discriminate but human rights should be respected. We claim to be a christian nation and yet we top the list in all circles of immorality not only homosexuality. We are not perfect and lets not pretend to be. the christian thing to do is to try and help these people the best we can.
BMC
April 21, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Who is a Homosexual? Do you guys need the Government to tell you that apa ni pamputi elyo apa epo. Do you need Sata to tell you that. Ba shikulu balikwata abana na beshikulu. even when you are not told, your body tells you.
HS
April 23, 2012 at 9:27 am
madness is the order of the day nowadays. The people are almost behaving like dogs.
god forbid
LESA USOKA BINCHA
August 10, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Abash insanity!God sent man to sleep to remove a rib from man to make his companion. The Union of the two makes man complete. That is normal- anything else is madness, period.