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Zambia Shall Remain A Christian Nation, Fr Samasumo’s Proposal Dismissed
THE declaration of Zambia as a Christian nation has been upheld at the on-going national constitution convention after attempts by some delegates to remove and amend some paragraphs from the preamble in the draft constitution in a protracted debate.
This was during the convention plenary session chaired by Copperbelt University vice chancellor Muyunda Mwanalushi.
Zambia Episcopal Conference spokesperson Paul Samasumo and some delegates to the convention argued that the declaration of Zambia as a Christian nation be omitted from the draft document.
Fr Samasumo said the declaration discriminates against Zambians who are not Christians as it can insinuate that they are “second class citizens”.
His views were however met with passionate resistance from many delegates who murmured in disagreement before he could ‘land’ his argument.
Fr Samasumo’s proposal was only supported by few delegates.
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Chaudry
April 15, 2013 at 11:03 am
Fr Samasumo is an anti Christ sent from the dark world together with his supporters! His rank to that position must have been achieve through whitch craft.
Zambia happens to be the only country in the world that uniquely and openly identifies with Christ; unfortunately the world does not like it!
Makes sense
April 15, 2013 at 4:58 pm
And which countries have you lived in? Such ignorance is sad. It actually amazes me that you have access to a computer, are able to find this site – try to educate yourself on that same computer.
EvenMoreSense
April 17, 2013 at 12:12 am
My dear friend, this is nothing! I ‘ve been to sites worse than this where I’ve survived with very high rankings from sickles like yourself!
All I can say is that, Zambia has not yet attained that level yet. You can tell by the postings that they are a peaceful bunch! Now you want to bring your rotten mind to this beautiful country, you lousy little cockroach!
In UK, they even have tarvens for people who are gay! What can you tell me, you sickle?
profet
April 15, 2013 at 11:10 am
what kind of a father is he?
pat
April 15, 2013 at 12:28 pm
Fr Samasumo is the anti-Christ because every true christian will not do what he did. He is just telling us what he is and what he tell people at his church. You are Samasumo Fr. Samasumo.
Makes sense
April 15, 2013 at 5:00 pm
You Lack comprehension. Father’s personal beliefs are not in question here.
Sam
April 15, 2013 at 11:19 am
Fr. Is right. Those of you who support this discriminatory clause have never visited Islamic nations. Christianity is a way of life, its not about declarations. Jesus could have easily declared the whole world a Christian nation but he did not because it is a personal choice between an individual and God. Even if you declared yourself a Christian, if you are not Christ like – a Muslim who is upright is more Christian than you!!!
KANITUNDILA AKA KANTU
April 15, 2013 at 1:26 pm
@ Sam, What do you mean? In Islamic countries, you cannot even a church. Here, we do not discriminate. They have their so called mosques everywhere, disturbing those of us who live near them. For your information, it is not about being upright. This declaration is a way of dedicating this country to God. Anyway, we know that most catholic priests are gay and Fr Samasumo knows that it is a sin, hence advocating for its removal. Some of you are talking about fornication, drinking alcohol etc, sin is not just about drinking alcohol and fornication. Rejection of Christ is the biggest SIN compared to the alcohol and fornication.
Sam
April 15, 2013 at 2:20 pm
@KANITUNDILA AKA KANTU pliz stick to the subject being discussed here. Pliz also read the following slowly:-
Dr. Makasa Kasonde (Private Citizen)Reply
April 15, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Freedom of worship is guaranteed under Zambian law. What is unconstitutional is singling out one religion over other religions, as Christian Nation implies. Soon or later, a constitutional amendment will be in the offing. Zambians need to learn to concentrate on fundamentals. It is better to avoid any controversial clauses. Let individuals make their own personal choices. Separation of Church and Sate is not negotiable. The die is cast
bravo
April 15, 2013 at 11:23 am
you shall know then by their fruits! the other one is very silent after conducting a chicken slaughter ritual in luanshya, his belly is too full to speak for the voiceless
Kajimang
April 15, 2013 at 11:32 am
‘THESE PEOPLE THEY HONOUR ME WITH THEIR LIPS THEIR HEARTS ARE VERY FAR FROM ME’ SAYS THE LORD.
Wisdom
April 15, 2013 at 12:02 pm
Zambia is not a Christian Nation. It only desires to be one. Thats different from being one. If it is a christian nation then laws should change to tally with christianity – No Fornication, adultery, polygamy etc.
Kajimang
April 15, 2013 at 12:05 pm
CAN A LAW MAKE SOMEONE A CHRISTIAN????? ONLY IN ZAMBIA. BELIEVING AND HAVING FAITH IN JESUS CAN MAKE SOMEONE A CHRISTIAN MAY BE THINGS OR THE BIBLE HAVE CHANGED?
CK
April 15, 2013 at 12:24 pm
Law or no Law christ Jesus died for our sins and rose again on the third day, christ is the same yesterday,today and forever and every knee shall bow at the mention of his name kwasila!
Makes sense
April 15, 2013 at 5:03 pm
No. That’s your belief, not mine.
Jack Malama
April 15, 2013 at 1:10 pm
And they will come say in your name we declared our country a Christian nation and He will say to them ….
Makes sense
April 15, 2013 at 5:20 pm
Who will come, where?
Chaudry
April 15, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Study all religions and count yourself worthy of contavertial remarks. @Jack Malama is in support of you and yet you couldn’t see him supporting you. He just bit his mouth… couldn’t finish the sentence.
Apart from the symbolic figurement that this country has been able to represent Zambia as a Chrstian Nation, and the resilience to uphold this pronouncement, it pays to look back and say, well I was there!
But, yet again, everyone is entitled to defend his/her beliefs. In the end, the truth conquers all!
Trywell Chifita
April 15, 2013 at 1:34 pm
What do you expect from this person samasumo. The priests are on record in abusing children bakampenga. What do you expect from him? This si the best we can get from him. He is one of the agents who will later come out as gay. Just wait and see. Sorry, Zambia will remain a Christian nation. Jesus Christ chose Zambia as one of the examples the world will use when they want to be Christian nations. Thank you delegates again. You said no to faggots and you have said yes to Christian nation. God be glorified and Aaaaaaaaaaaamen!
Makes sense
April 15, 2013 at 5:14 pm
I am a Zambian. I work, pay my taxes, and just like everyone else, doing the best I can.
I am not Christian.
Can you justify to me why my country should be declared a Christian nation? To me Christianity is not true and I do not believe there was a Christ.
Dimma
April 15, 2013 at 5:42 pm
@makes sense: You are a replicon, thats what you are; a poor excuse for a human being. I could tell what you are from millions of earth days! Not distance!
Well, your days are over!
Dimma
April 15, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Who gave you that job?
Dr. Makasa Kasonde (Private Citizen)
April 15, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Freedom of worship is guaranteed under Zambian law. What is unconstitutional is singling out one religion over other religions, as Christian Nation implies. Soon or later, a constitutional amendment will be in the offing. Zambians need to learn to concentrate on fundamentals. It is better to avoid any controversial clauses. Let individuals make their own personal choices. Separation of Church and Sate is not negotiable. The die is cast.
Chaudry
April 15, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Coward!
Makes sense
April 15, 2013 at 5:05 pm
Why Is he a coward? I agree with his post.
Dimma
April 15, 2013 at 5:51 pm
Because you are lost into oblivion, just like Fr (him), except he probably doesn’t know it! …and am sure you know where you came from – and am not talking about your few years on earth, am talking deep stuff here, you ignorant little blistering bananacle! You count earth days and you think it ends there! And for some reasons best known to your self, you think you know it all… well NEWS flash for you! You are LOST!!
Makes sense
April 15, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Agree with you
blackbull
April 15, 2013 at 3:08 pm
zambia is not a christian state in so many ways it behaves eg corruption greedyness stealing triberism nepotism juses strongly talked ill about these things he wheeped pipo found doing wrongs in his fathers house our dressing conducts prostitution which we pretend does not exsist in this country all these things do not go well with christ
Makes sense
April 15, 2013 at 5:09 pm
Zambia being a Christian nation, me being a non-Christian. How do you propose this will work.
More sense
April 15, 2013 at 6:16 pm
It will work out because the majority of Zambians are Christians and majority rules. Just like the president is not voted by every one but he becomes the president of even those who didn’t vote for him whether they like it or not. so if you are a non christian my dear just follow the majority and wait for your time if at all it will come. The good thing is let not your hearts be troubled because you will not be discriminated coz as Christians we believe that we are all equal in the eyes of God.
EvenMoreSense
April 15, 2013 at 6:22 pm
I agree! That time it was “away with Jesus!” This time it is “away with Father and Makes Sense!”
Your time will come!
kakolwe
April 15, 2013 at 5:32 pm
Ba Makes sence, I spent 9months in Riyadh, Riyadh Prov. It did not take away my religion. So put up too! The majority has spoken. Its here to stay!
Toka
April 16, 2013 at 2:07 am
Ba Fr. what do you believe in ? If you are a christian you could speak something worth your faith. You are the same people hiding behind those collars that make Christianity difficult in Zambia. You have failed to live to the standard of christianity, so you think all should be like you. The declaration of zambia being a christian nation is the best one can think of. These so called ministers who come aganist declaration of zambia as a christtian nation are just hypocrites hiding behind those collars. They preach heresy, which ends up confusing people.Many people fail to following the teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ because of such false teacher.
muslim
April 16, 2013 at 7:24 am
as a muslim woman living on the so called Christian country,i always ask myself as to why Christianity hs lost so much direction.anyway whatever they want to call it its ok.us as muslims we will continue standing by our religion.God will judge us all whether from a christian or muslim country.so as for now,lets live by his will.peace
EvenMoreSense
April 16, 2013 at 9:07 am
The reasons are simple: the Christians appear disoriented and wacko because the enermy hates them. You father appears to take care of you well because you are his children and this is your home. As for the Christian you were told that his world is not your home, so be strong.
My sister, you mind has been poluted so much that you can’t see the truth even if it was given to you.
In some parts of China, they have received the good news with so much smile over their faces and some are choosing to die for it. That is the difference!
muslim
April 16, 2013 at 11:21 pm
hey hey hey,i did not post my comment for debate,this is my opinion,how is my mind poluted?i thought your bible telss you not to judge or you will be judged.whatever the case,am a peaceful person
EvenMoreSense
April 16, 2013 at 11:45 pm
Am glad you are awake! Am also awake!
You are so informed about my Bible yet you refuse to accept the truth. That was just cross fire! I’m sorry. But these are the end times. If the evil is putting up double time so shall we! If you feel injured, am sorry… I merely attacked the source of the thinking coz that is where my enemy hides!
Muslims have a law called Sha.. something, but as Christians, we want to hold onto something that may, if anything give this coutry pride!
Please sleep well. Peace for Peace!
muslim
April 17, 2013 at 1:11 am
its good you are still awake,unfortunately where i am its already day.actually am in china where you claim to discuss but i didnt want to pose a debate.i would advise you to learn a religion first before you judge it.mind you i was a christian for 20 years.i know all about the two religions.
muslim
April 17, 2013 at 1:18 am
do not judge muslims before you know them.i cant follow a holy book which contradicts itself.besides if the same bible does not mention of trinity then why should i worship a trinity?GOD IS ONE MY DEAR
EvenMoreSense
April 17, 2013 at 12:18 pm
I love you already! You and I are speaking the same language. Contradiction? No! That’s what Nicodemus thought! God is one! No trinity whatsoever!
Once again, this is some ****** blog and we oughtta be getting along; when we differ, lets differ in a friendly manner. After all we are all children of one God and the creator of the Universe. You have taught me that and I thank you.
Whilst we are the same subject, do you think that noise could somehow be reduced? In Tanzania its everywhere!
chikungulu
April 16, 2013 at 2:14 pm
My dear Toka, you do not become a christian by declaration but by deeds. Any sensible and true Christian will be behind Fr Samasumo cos he is telling the truth. You can declare yourself a Christian but if your deeds are that of the devil, you are of your father the devil and not a christian! Christians follow the ways of Christ hence the name. Are you sure Zambia is a Christian nation? Oh come on guys be serious. Behave like a Christian and you will be called a christian,in the opposite, you are not, simple!
CHUNSU
April 16, 2013 at 11:32 pm
That’s what you get for selling your soul to the devil. Clearly, you even know for a fact that the people attacking the clause are from th dark world but yet you open your mouth and talk about what you can’t understand.
To educate you slightly, or maybe you already know… Gay stuff is on the edge into Zambia. Thank goodness the majority are poor and so that nonsense is on the minimum: However, No sooner do we drop this clause than we will be up against alot of other negative rules as well.
muslim
April 17, 2013 at 1:16 am
do not judge muslims before you know them.i cant follow a holy book which contradicts itself.besides if the same bible does not mention of trinity then why should i worship a trinity?GOD IS ONE MY DEAR
CHRISTIAN
April 17, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Even Saul the then called apostle Paul was a non christian.He was very confident of what he was doing in such a way that he even asked a written permission to kill Christians.On his way Christ himself appeared to Paul and asked him why he troubled him.As from that date paul did great jobs for Christ because he was removed from the dark.let Christ appear to you so that you may be able to see. for iit was said they have eyes but they do not see, they have ears but they do not hear.