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Pope Francis: Who Am I To Judge Gay People? Stop Marginalising Them
Pope Francis has said gay people should not be marginalised but integrated into society.
Speaking to reporters on a flight back from Brazil, he reaffirmed the Roman Catholic Church’s position that homosexual acts were sinful, but homosexual orientation was not.
He was responding to questions about whether there was a “gay lobby” in the Vatican.
“If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge them?”
He also said he wanted a greater role for women in the Church, but insisted they could not be priests.
The Pope arrived back in Rome on Monday after a week-long tour of Brazil – his first trip abroad as pontiff – which climaxed with a huge gathering on Rio de Janeiro’s Copacabana beach for a world Catholic youth festival.
Festival organisers estimated it attracted more than three million people.
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mwata kapale
July 29, 2013 at 7:28 pm
Well said ba papa…who r u to judge them?for wit the same measure u use to judge them will u also be judged…just becoz yo sins r different doesn’t make u better than them…but it should not be enshrined in the constitution of the land
Friday
July 30, 2013 at 12:23 am
Well said
Amaka Pa Nchende!!!
July 30, 2013 at 9:53 am
Sin is sin!!!there is no sin that is different from the other u fool!! confused pop/ blind followers, moving in circles!!!no direction. fools!!!its a shame.
Ndaje Kahks
July 30, 2013 at 10:34 am
Even the Bible tells us not judge others. You reaction is very aggressive & un Christian. Francis is not supporting gays, but he is not there to judge a fellow human lest he be jugded too.
ak75
July 30, 2013 at 11:40 am
no wonder most of the fathers practices homosexuality. I had a view that they will be postive reforms, but alase—
icamuselu nga caikala mumuputule wamushilo wa mushilo nishi epela yapayama-that is by indication. its the same as saying whom iam i to condem adulterous -hmmn
Kumwao
July 30, 2013 at 10:30 pm
It is not judging bane. If you did something wrong and I said bane mwaluba, does not mean I am judging you. Ngawayamba ifitala, elyo chingamoneka ati nakujaja. Taulefwaya ukumona reason na morality!
God love Gays
July 29, 2013 at 8:58 pm
South African peace icon Desmond Tutu on Friday said he would rather go to hell than worship a homophobic God, likening the fight against gay prejudice to the anti-apartheid struggle. “I would refuse to go to a homophobic heaven. No, I would say sorry, I mean I would much rather go to the other place,” the retired archbishop said at the launch of a United Nations gay equality campaign in Cape Town.
“I would not worship a God who is homophobic and that is how deeply I feel about this,” he said, condemning the use of religious justification for anti-gay prejudice.
Launched by the UN Human Rights Office, the public education campaign “Free and Equal” aims to raise awareness of anti-gay violence and discrimination. Tutu, a Nobel Peace Prize laureate, compared the project to the fight South Africans waged to end the former white racist minority rule, a struggle in which he played a pivotal role.
“I am as passionate about this campaign as I ever was about apartheid. For me, it is at the same level,” the 81-year-old said.UN High commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said same-sex relationships are illegal in more than a third of countries around the world and punishable by death in five.
Even in countries where gay rights are upheld challenges remain, she said, noting that South Africa has “some of the worst cases of homophobic violence” despite having some of the world’s best legal protections. The country has seen brutal, deadly attacks on lesbians, who also risk falling victim to what is known as “corrective rape”.
A South African lesbian was last month found dead, having been sexually assaulted with a toilet brush. “People are literally paying for their love with their lives,” said Pillay. The campaign, which aims to push for legal reforms and public education against homophobia, will have a strong focus on working with governments.
“I constantly hear governments tell me ‘but this is our culture, our tradition and we can’t change it’… So we have lots of work to do,” said Pillay
gay friendly Zambian heterosexual
July 29, 2013 at 9:21 pm
If “God” hates gays he surely hates blacks. That’s a baaaaaaaaaaaad god!
GOD must be LOVE not hate ! I if “God”does not love gays then he can go to hell together with all the haters.
Mind you… gays are the news “niggas” meaning gays are now the victims of homophobic attacks.
ak75
July 30, 2013 at 11:42 am
never metion the word GOD please. God hates gays . read leviticus chapter 18.
GAY GOD
July 30, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Not your useless “god” My God loves gays too otherwise they would not exist.
Kumwao
July 29, 2013 at 11:39 pm
Many a time, the religious leaders have misled their followers because they no longer have a relationship with God. Tutu mututu mufyakwa Lesa. He is a priest not by vocation but by profession.
bodybuilder
July 29, 2013 at 9:02 pm
The Pope is right Gays should not be judged. Their rights should be respected. I hope all Zambian Christians are taking note. No to homophobia.
tomo
July 29, 2013 at 9:34 pm
This issue is all about the freedom of expression of gay people
ichinshikululwa
July 29, 2013 at 9:52 pm
A person who dosent know the power name a person Jesus, can do any kind of evil. Gay, rober, unfaithfu, witch,etc; all of them are humanbeins, no one has the right to condermn them, but we can shall never allow the sin of gay been committed wilingly, freely in our open eye; but we are going to arrest with or without law, dirrect or indirrect, and those who feed by deffendi rubbish we shall never obby you, but, we would rather obey God.
ak75
July 30, 2013 at 11:43 am
right with your word
Blessed
July 30, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Heavens!!! Your spelling, pray to god for better spelling
ant gay
July 29, 2013 at 9:58 pm
GOD is soon coming to take his own people who be
KENZU
July 29, 2013 at 10:20 pm
The Pope is explicitly clear that homosexuality is a sin. Just like any other sins, there is definately room for repentance if they change there perveted and queer ways, but not to embrance the fricks.
Kumwao
July 29, 2013 at 11:43 pm
Kenzu, Pope speaks with tongue in the cheek. He should have said. God loves them, but they have to ask for His grace to restore them back to the original nature of God.
Amaka Pa Nchende!!!
July 30, 2013 at 10:24 am
This is totally unacceptable!! stop putting words in his dirty stinking mouth u fool!! he is just a confused lost pretentious Pope who claims to be man of the living God.all these fools u see, bena T.B Joshua pops etc are demons. They are after something, working hard to impress and fulfill there duties for the devil.and its very easy for Christians with no direction to fall in this trap.All u want to hear when you go to church from a confused and lost pastor is,I dreamed!! tomorrow u be rich, fools like rich kid.wake up and come to the real world!!! lost sheep!!
Christabel
July 30, 2013 at 10:26 am
Kenzu, true to that. Homosexuality is a sin and who said that God hates gay people? God loves them they just have to abide by his ways chapwa. All they need is deliverance.
I Never Knew You
July 31, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Christabell, it is very true that God loves all human beings John 3:16 and this is the reason Jesus died. All he hates is sin itself, and He is calling everyone including the Gay people to repentance and if they do that, they will be forgiven and made right before Him. My appeal to my brothers and sisters who are practicing this act is to stop it and repent. God will forgive and cleanse them. Remember Galatians 5:19-21. The acts which will stop people from inheriting the Kingdom of God are mentioned there and no sin is bigger than the other.
Chaona
July 29, 2013 at 10:47 pm
Read the message behind the statement, not just plain words. There is power in the words and more also that he is a leader of a huge following.
This is a litmus test for the ‘faithful’ and whether he will build or mar the image.
sankata
July 30, 2013 at 12:01 am
one has to hate the practice full stop!
Bounty Killer
July 30, 2013 at 2:51 am
There! Pope Francis has said it once and for all.Homosexuals should repent or perish!
Strip Tease
July 30, 2013 at 5:22 am
The only ones who should get worried are those that follow some white bally called ‘Pope’ whatever that means. I follow the one and only God so i will never be swayed by personal opiniona of fellow mortals like Desmond, Obama and this chap in white. Afterall, on Judgement Day, i will be judged ALONE and not together with some wanker of a Catholic priest or some Black President in some funny white country
Bala Ngombe
July 30, 2013 at 6:09 am
Papa has exhibited total ignorance of the scripiture and he cannot be called man of God but man of the D…….. Gays are worse than animals cos animals know their mates.
Vuks
July 30, 2013 at 8:00 am
Talking about something bad is not judging! If am a thief and someone says to me stealing is evil, he’s not judging but just giving a reminder so I can change! The gay practice is an evil act! Lets not get things twisted!
mike
July 31, 2013 at 1:35 pm
Correct 100%!!!!
kcc
July 30, 2013 at 8:11 am
Never promote gayism but love the gays by leading them to Christ so they can repent of their sins of gayism. Please that does not mean we condemn them. the bible says in john 3 that “he who does not accept christ( that is to denounce satan and his works ie sin, gayism inclusive) is condemned already. Be ware of some of these priest because they survive on young boys who cannot even talk.Shame. JESUS loves sinners including gays but hates gayism sin and those who promote it. HE says from such stay away
King Zanda
July 30, 2013 at 8:11 am
We are living in the last days,do not judge if you do not want to be judged.i agree with the POPE
popo
July 30, 2013 at 8:16 am
May be he is been honest. Because we preach what we live. Study the content closely, you will not be amazed of the reports about priest bonking small boys
zambian
July 30, 2013 at 8:18 am
Sin will remain Sin in the eyes of GOD no matter the gravity or level it is committed.The pope is not GOD he is just a mortal being.
Wapya
July 30, 2013 at 8:37 am
when you are given the mandate to speak the truth, just speak without anything attached only the truth. is it the truth what the pope is saying??????????, if you do not do what you are supposed to do, then you sin The Bible records so.
katwishi mukwai
July 30, 2013 at 8:45 am
Elyo lwanya,ine ndelolesha fye
Mwana Mfumu
July 30, 2013 at 9:19 am
Gays should know that, Before we knew Him, God died for us. The sin is not the issue it is repentance. God loves the gay just like he loves a thief, prostitute and all other sinners BUT He hates the sin acts which we all repent from.
If a gay wants God, like all of us, s/he must change the old ways.
We do not go to God on our terms but on His
King Solomon
July 30, 2013 at 9:21 am
“Orientation” means you teach someone, you are not born with. Therefore, the Pontiff is wrong to allow people to teach people to become sinners. Its sad that even Church LEaders who are supposed to be an example, are in the forefront of encouraging evil1.
popo
July 30, 2013 at 9:29 am
the act of gay is not just sinful but it so annoying so disgusting where on earth would someone imagine such a thing place?
popo
July 30, 2013 at 9:30 am
you need deliverance
isaac
July 30, 2013 at 9:36 am
Well articulated. Revenge and judgement belongs to Him (above) the creator.
Raspower
July 30, 2013 at 9:49 am
You see the most suprising thing here is that, Animals are becoming more bettern than human in this Generation…..PIGS cant even Do that, Not even A Mad DOG! Not even A Mad DEMON…! Shame on these Pipo!
Blessed
July 30, 2013 at 2:43 pm
Wena, have you met a mad demon? Tsek
Chanda
July 30, 2013 at 9:57 am
The Fact remains gayism is in human.
Kumwao
July 30, 2013 at 10:35 pm
A warped human!
WOODMAN
July 30, 2013 at 10:15 am
viva MUGABE ON DIS ISSUE,GAYS ARE WORSE THAN PIGS AND DOGS.
Prof-B
July 30, 2013 at 10:21 am
Brothers and sisters!if God Himself is against gayism, who are we to promote it? Sin should be condemned not promoted, meaning if gays are given the right to do whatever they do, it will not help them but destroy them eventually. We are not against them but against what they do. We love them because they are our brothers and sisters who have gone astray from human naturality. Gays should be prayed for and advised to shun away from the EVIL of homosexuality. If human beings start portraying a behavior that is beyond animals, what will animals think about us human beings?
GAY ZAMBIA
July 30, 2013 at 10:22 am
BRAVOOO!!! I give the pope double clap.. That’s the spirit.
KA GELO
July 30, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Even if you clap, you are not free from being arrested sti.nking a.s.s.
Paul Tembo & Ronald Penza
July 30, 2013 at 10:30 am
gayism at its best.Judge not the custodian of the vice .Many people practise worse vices compared to the topic in question yet they walk with their heads up concealing the murder acts they have successfully performed and committed on innocent people.
zambian
July 30, 2013 at 10:37 am
The dogs and pigs are better than you!
one love
July 30, 2013 at 10:49 am
if any of you dear readers was born from a gay or lesbian home, then i would go with all those who r sympathising with these so called gay advocates. Being gay is demonic, and no noble man can promote it. UN is under the catholic umbrella indirectly, listen and open yr eyes, the devil is at work, God help us.
stevens
July 30, 2013 at 10:50 am
blind blind pope,he`s also a gay how would you expect him to stand against immoral.
ak75
July 30, 2013 at 11:45 am
balck pope at the heam . well i remeber pope John 11-defender of faith
Pastor Chris Musonda
July 30, 2013 at 11:19 am
Why People Are Homosexual. Paul tells us in his epistle to the Romans that men left the natural form of intercourse with women and burned in their lust and had intercourse with fellow men. The desires of these people were ungodly, dishonorable, and corrupt. The bible says that God gave them over to their own lusts, essentially letting them have what they wanted, which was a lie rather than the truth, an idol instead of the Creator, and evil rather than righteousness. 5 It is clear that when a person acts on his homosexual desires, he is making that choice and is accountable for his actions. The Bible does not mention that people are born homosexual, or idolaters, rapists, murders, thieves, and so on. We are responsible for our own actions, and when we are tempted the Lord always gives us a way to escape the temptation and choose what is right. 6 Many people have temptations about the opposite sex, and they act on them according to their desires, while others will fight and starve those temptations and seek righteousness. Similarly there are those with homosexual desires for those of the same sex, and many will seek to please their desires while other will resist the temptation.
Pastor Chris Musonda
July 30, 2013 at 11:21 am
Part 2
Deliverance from Homosexuality. Fortunately, there is hope for those who want to be delivered from their homosexual lifestyle. When Jesus ascended into heaven, He did not leave us alone with no help, but He left us His Holy Spirit, who would be with us always. 8 The Holy Spirit lives in all who believe on Him, and is there to convict us when we sin, guide us towards the will of God, and gives us a peace in the time of trials and temptations. When we rely on the Holy Spirit, we can surely overcome anything. While Satan hurls his darts of lustful temptation at us, the Holy Spirit will be our shield and show us how to escape them. I believe that Satan focuses much of his energy on the sin of lust, because of its harm on the family, relationships, physical & mental health, and our fellowship with God. But as much as Satan is trying to get us to sin, God is trying much harder for us to resist it. Romans 8:31 says that “If God is for us, who can be against us?”. I am convinced that any willing homosexual can be delivered. But “willing” is the key issue–personal repentance is a must. But before repentance or turning towards God can even begin, there must be a relationship with God in the first place. As mentioned earlier, the Bible is clear that we are all born in sin, with no natural inclination to do what is right or to seek God. From the first sins committed in the garden of Eden, the sin problem has been passed down to all generations. Our relationship with God has been broken, and Satan (who is the king of this world) has taken the place of our father. At that time we have no Holy Spirit to convict us or guide us. Sins are committed without guilt, and earthly desires rule the heart. In order for our sin problem to be cured, God sent His Son Jesus as a sacrifice for our sins. And it is through His sacrifice that we can have a restored relationship with God the Father. Once we have made that step of faith, the moment we accept Jesus’ sacrifice for our sins and chose to live for Him, then we are born again and have received the Holy Spirit. Until then, we have little chance at overcoming a homosexual lifestyle.
Pastor Chris Musonda
July 30, 2013 at 11:30 am
part 3
However, if you are a Christian and have been born again, but still struggle with the temptations of homosexuality…you are still not without hope. God understands your situation and will give you the resources to fight this evil. Ask for forgiveness of your sins frequently, and pray for guidance on how to avoid being tempted in the future. Seek out accountability partners, Christian counseling, and church staff. Read your Bible often, especially the chapters that deal with temptations. Remember Joseph and how he avoided committing sins with the mistress? The Lord will always be at your side helping you become free of the homosexual lifestyle. It will never be an easy fight, especially with such a foe as the devil. But we can be confidant in our Savior. He defeated death, and through Him we have been made more than conquerors in all things
icinshikululwa
July 30, 2013 at 11:33 am
Dear pop. Kwena ba Kalika naimwe mwaya sana; fwaka mupeepela mu Church ndelolesha fye, mubikepo no kukundana kwa baume beka beka, abanakashi nabo ifyo fine; apapena lapileni mwalufya abantu pafula
icinshikululwa
July 30, 2013 at 11:34 am
Dear pop. Kwena ba Katolika naimwe mwaya sana; fwaka mupeepela mu Church ndelolesha fye, mubikepo no kukundana kwa baume beka beka, abanakashi nabo ifyo fine; apapena lapileni mwalufya abantu pafula
EKK
July 30, 2013 at 11:49 am
You have lost it
kulanda fye
July 30, 2013 at 12:10 pm
If GOD is against gay who am I to support.I cn do nthng bt only advice those who ar practising this to stop.I leave judgement to GOD he is the one with the power to judge for I knw am not perfect but I try by all means to be perfect.let’s turn away from our sins brethrens.
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July 30, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Gay pipo and those who supoort them are ****** idiots
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July 30, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Gay pipo and those who supoort them are stupidi idiots
sankata
July 30, 2013 at 12:44 pm
@ mwana mfumu: when did God died?
sankata
July 30, 2013 at 12:51 pm
@ mwana mfumu: when did God died for us?
MUSHOTA
July 30, 2013 at 2:11 pm
Mwebantu just follow your beliefs those who are involved in gayism continue enjoying and hell is your place and those who are pondering about it please remain clean and follow bibilcal guidance otherwise the debate on this issue is a stale mate.
Wantanshi
July 30, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Do not listen to popes, bishop tutu and other priests who tell you homosex is fine. They are hypocrites and false christians who directly work for Satan the devil the god of this world. 2 corinthians 4: 3-4.
If the pope and tutu were true men of God why haven’t they listened to what the Bible says at Leviticus 18? huh!
People who have bum sodomy with other people are mentally deranged and urgently need psychiatric help, not lobbying for their repugnant and despicable lifestyles. You have got to be insane to not see anything wrong with ass sex.
lusambo
July 30, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Mushota you are very right its a simple thing to debate about plz just choose your side which will determine your destiny and leave catholics alone because anyone is intitled to his/her opinion like pope who is just a person like anyone.
SEAN
July 30, 2013 at 2:36 pm
pop is a homo
Brown
July 30, 2013 at 3:26 pm
The Bible does talk of the future even b4 the future gets into play: Romans 1:21 to 32.
Because when they knew God they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations and their foolish hearts were darkened.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves.
Who changed the truth of God into a lie and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator who is blessed for ever. Amen
For this reason God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. And likewise also men, leaving the natural use of their women, burned in their lust one towards another: Men with men working that which is unseemly and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Country men and women, lets check through this book of life. So that we can understand: whats the cause of whats going on and where are we going?
Ernie
July 30, 2013 at 3:31 pm
I wonder if some people have been to school or they just have natural hatrade for the catholic church. The pope did not support homosexuality neither did he say its not a sin. What he says who are we to turn away those homosexuals who have realized that they are living in sin and want to repent and live according to the law of nature as God wants it it to be? Mwe bantu plz improve on your understanding skills and stop displaying your high levels of ignorance on such a forum.
Wantanshi
July 30, 2013 at 8:39 pm
@Ernie
Quote: “Pope Francis has said gay people should not be marginalised but integrated into society”.
Please, also understand the context of the words, “marginalised” and ” integrated” in which the pope used them. Remember these popes and priests are accomplished and sophisticated and crooked con men.
Homosexuals have to be marginalised because they aren’t human in the real sense of the word. They can’t be integrated into society unless that society is degenerate. But up to this date the majority of African’s stance on this filthy issue is that it’s a non-starter. Please peddle the filth elsewhere.