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EXPOSED : HH’s Tribalism, What Election Statistics Say
Hakainde Hichilema
This is a Careful Analysis of 2001 – 2011 Election Results and a letter sent to HH on 25th October 2011. By Maurice Makalu.
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Re: MR. HH, PLEASE STOP YOUR TRIBALISM.
The above matter refers.
The Post newspaper has in the recent past featured editorials condemning your “tribalistic and dangerous anti-Bemba politics.”
The Zambian Inquirer asked Mr. Cornelius Mweetwa, Deputy Spokesperson of UPND and Choma Constituency MP, to comment on these allegations.
Here is what he said, “The (tribalism) attacks (from The Post) are unfair as the regional support given to the UPND is not different from that received by other parties including the Patriotic Front (PF).” He continued that, “A careful analysis of election results has revealed that the major political parties have attracted a home vote associated with a leader of the party. Further since 2001, UPND has received least votes in Northern, Luapula; while Sata has received support from the regions associated with his tribe.”
I want to give you that ‘careful analysis of elections results.’ Because clearly, if Mr. Mweetwa has ever done any careful analysis, he cannot tell such lies in the media; unless if he just wants to deceive you and the Zambian people. Or perhaps he is acting under your instructions, which I believe not, to defend your tribalism even if it means lying to the Zambian people.
According to the careful analysis, Mr. HH, the facts are:
- The regional support given to the UPND is VERY DIFFERENT from that received by other parties from the region of their presidents.
- The support Sata has received from regions associated with his tribe is not abnormal such that you should compare and use it to defend your tribalism.
- Further from 2001, UPND has received least votes not just from Northern and Luapula, as if Bembas were tribalistic, but from other regions as well: Livingstone Constituency, Copperbelt, Lusaka and Eastern provinces. You have grown by just over 1% in Western, North western and Central combined.
- Your party has received 99% growing support only from areas with growing anti-Bemba sentiments. Is that a coincidence?
Let us begin the ‘careful analysis’ that proves the above facts. THE LINK TO THE FULL DOCUMENT:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ic80sjUTmPPDGvST_2IacwjXergOMLnGWFeZBCr325U/edit
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xd
November 1, 2011 at 8:54 pm
@ “unless if he just wants to deceive you and the Zambian”. Ba Tumfweko, check you English please! “Unless if”.
Mulopower
November 1, 2011 at 8:55 pm
HH chikala
kabiki katombela
November 1, 2011 at 9:04 pm
Whether we like it or not, the three top leaders gannered massive support from where the hail from. This timne around the presidency is with Northern and whatever they do with it will determine their future role in leadership at the highest level. Kaondes, Luvales, Lundas, Lozis and Tongas have not yet produced a president. Currently, it is only HH who has been in the presiential race since 2006, so it might not be a bad idea to also try Tongas, that is if Sata lets us down.
Ama joza
November 1, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Indeed ba tumfweko shud edit their articles before posting. There is no excuse for grammatical rot as you have just exhibited! Awe kwena HH? Mulekeni naimwe litolefye ulya.
ZAMBIAN
November 1, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Having read your analysis, i concluded that you just have personal hatred for the tongas. Stop showing your stupidity.
Musonda
November 1, 2011 at 9:40 pm
what’s HH’s response to this? Mazoka was a far much better leader in my opinion.
Niggablowz
November 1, 2011 at 9:47 pm
I dnt lyk HH. Tell me who lyks this man? Listen, tongas, nothing personal, are tribal assholes. There’s a rym I was doing my studies at Nkrumah the principal was a tonga……a Mr Belemu. Three quarters of rhe student population was tonga! I was also previleged to mark G12 Eng exam. The sub specialist was tonga man that place was also dominated by these wajata ng’ombe lunatics.
Mulo
November 1, 2011 at 9:48 pm
Stop misleading people you fools… HH is NOT a tribalist. SATA is the worst tribalist, try 2 examine his cabinet and PSs.. Only illiterates can argue that
Umuntu
November 1, 2011 at 9:52 pm
Ba Niggablowz lalenifwe…….teachers, this is not your platform. Kafundefye chikala
musonda
November 1, 2011 at 9:54 pm
instead of pointing out who’s really tribalist between HH and Sata, counter Makalu’s argument with something intelligent and well researched not pointing fingers left right and centre any fool can do that. So stop the BS and counter that argument with one that rebutts Makalu’s.
Champi
November 1, 2011 at 9:56 pm
Iwe Mulo,are you sure that tongas are not tribal. I agree with you even Sata is tribal, infact we are watching him ala tuvundula nombaline.
kunda2016
November 1, 2011 at 10:29 pm
ok fine, WHY THEN DONT WE DIVIDE THE COUNTRY INTO 73 INDEPENDENT TRIBAL BANTUSTANS
Maybe this tribal talk will be a thing of the past..!!!
musonda
November 1, 2011 at 11:00 pm
LOL i know right?
Kashinga Ernest
November 2, 2011 at 12:25 pm
You don’t know what you are talking about my dear. Ask people from luanda, they will tell you exactly what that is. Lets thank God that he is able to unite all our 73 tribes as one Zambia one Nation.
Musonda
November 2, 2011 at 4:25 pm
Ernest it was a statement of sarcasm not one of advocacy for 73 tribes to divide into 73 nations.
Framuka
November 1, 2011 at 10:30 pm
The truth of the matter is that, when Mazoka died UPND went tribal. Unless some of you have short memory. Why did Sakwiba Sikota and others pulled out of UPND? The answer at that time was that UPND was for Tongas hence was supposed to be led by Tonga. Take note, no Ila was mentioned despite being part of Southern Province. Please, Northern and Luapula Provinces are not for Bembas only. Bembas are found in Chinsali, Mpika, Kasama and part of Mpulungu. Otherwise other tribes are the Namwanga, Mambwe, Bisa, Lunda, Ushi, Ngumbo,Malungu,Tabwa and others. The only thing is that, people in these two provinces are civilised if not united and intermarry easily. Their civilisation has even affected Copperbelt, Central and Lusaka provinces. Remember Chiluba was Lunda from Luapula Province. Sata is Bemba from Mpika. Therefore Mweetwa lied with his analysis. Research before exposing your ignorance otherwise this is simple grade Seven Social Studies of Zambia. Who is practising politics of tribalism?
FM
November 1, 2011 at 10:48 pm
Champi, go back to school. Bembas are very few in sata’s cabinet. Please let us differentiate areas from tribes. If a person comes from copperbelt and speaks bemba does not mean he is bemba. Please, avoid ignorance where you even relate every name to bemba. For instance “Musonda” is name that can be found in luapula, Central, Northern, Copperbelt and North-Western Province. Therefore, its wrong to associate the name Musonda to bembas Just because Musonda who is appointed by the President is speaking bemba.
wzy
November 1, 2011 at 10:49 pm
Nice one Framuka!
Hakaindemania
November 1, 2011 at 10:49 pm
Pipo dont just know that HH is the real package for Zambia. HH dont worry kip forging ahead you have pipo lyk me that beliv in you!
innocent
November 2, 2011 at 10:47 am
Hakaindemia, HH is fast losing the national face. He has the potential to be the future President, but he must clean his act and have a Nationalist Face! No amount of defence will erase the fact that Haka-Hichi is indeed tribal at the core!
Ex-zamtelgirl
November 1, 2011 at 10:56 pm
Am bemba and av had my share of tribalism by tongaz in SDA church.ts high time leaders stoped tribal politics.tribalism goes beyond apointments but local associations.ts a menace 2sociate
Sleepdose
November 1, 2011 at 11:01 pm
Guys lets now sleep and wait for new articles. For today guess we have debated enough. This tumfweko is really taking my tym. I almost got fired today because i forgot to do one task that my boss delegated to me. Dont find yourself in the same shit. Remember tumfweko told us that R18SN is gud for your health but remember it must not be offside! If it has to be, ‘rubberlise’ it.
Musonda
November 1, 2011 at 11:26 pm
LOL yeah the internet in general can be such an addiction you start forgetting to live in the real world and meet your obligations. chachine tiyeni muku lala mwe
LETS GO NAREP, LETS GO.
November 1, 2011 at 11:56 pm
Tongas stop making fools of yoselves. Why don’t u think outside the Bantustanism? In 2001, UPND was a national party, PF was no where 2be heard. 2Day they’ve formed govt. WATCH OUT FOR CHIPIMO & NAREP, cum 2016! You foolish herders.
Hahaha
November 2, 2011 at 12:03 am
Dont insult Tongas because of your hatred of them. Bembas and their Kolwestan mentality are the worst tribalists. Some of us know of institutions full of Bembas, and one clear example is the cabinet – full of Bembas, and you claim Tongas are tribalists. Makalu is just one of those Monkeystan tribalists who wants to mess up HH and Tongas. Makalu, can you honestly say the current appointments do not smack of tribalism? You are dead scared, along with you fellow Monkeystani, Fraud Mmembe, of the possibility of being rule by a Tonga, so you have to bring down any Tonga leader. This lie about Mazoka won’t fry; he too was accused of being a tribalist, but now that he is dead the same mouths that said he was a tribalist are saying he was not, it is HH who is a tribalist. And poor daft Fraud Mmembe – first he was saying HH it pro-Tonga, now he is even accusing him of being anti-Bemba. Makalu, what problem do you have with Tongas? You are probably one of those chaps who was intellectual capacity cannot match that of some Tonga competitor somewhere, so you want to attack them for no proper reason. Why should you waste your ammunition on HH being tribalistic when there is enough evidence to show Sata is a tribalist from his appointments?
Lookout
November 2, 2011 at 12:06 am
Which is better, Bantustan or Kolwestan? Which is better, a nation full of cows or one full of monkeys?
Musonda
November 2, 2011 at 12:31 am
a nation with people that think more in the lines of unity and not in terms of cows and monkeys and equating people to such nonsense. That’s the type of nation that is better than the two options you’re asking about.
Ajide
November 2, 2011 at 1:09 am
MAZOKA was a real man bring him back i will VOTE for him not HH very arrogant & lacks a political will.Tell him a bemba has said so.
Musonda
November 2, 2011 at 3:47 am
WORD! i really liked Mazoka mwe. I just don’t connect with HH and never felt MMD and that’s how PF ended up gaining my vote
fKatai.P
November 2, 2011 at 2:44 am
HH is not goin anywhr.. hez jst waistn he’s money.
Mayb as MP kubu tonga_lol
Ingombe illede
November 2, 2011 at 6:41 am
You foolish Tongas, we don’t hump monkeys but you hump your cows ! That’s why I stopped eating beef, don’t wanna get a silly STD from a cattle-herder like HH
bemba
November 2, 2011 at 6:57 am
what is it between Tongas and Bembas that they are always at each others throats?
It,s really a shame.Am bemba and married to a Tonga and this tribal tug-of-war between these two tribes is surely unZambian and saddening.
Imiponto!
November 2, 2011 at 7:01 am
Nangu ufulwe chikala amabolo HH is just full of hatred bafikala mooooooooo!!
Batu Pili
November 2, 2011 at 7:29 am
The truth is that no Tonga or Lozi will ever rule this country, period. These two tribes have been branded tribalists by tribes that are infact practicing tribalism and Bemba is one of them. Where as a Lozi can be as flexible as to learn several Zambian nd foreign languages, a Bemba will die with only two or one. If u are to speak a language other than bemba in bemba dominated towns, they’ll look at u in surprise nd say ‘alelanda ichitundu..’ yet no wud be surprised if someone used bemba in Western Province where Lozi is a major comm media. Like it or not, believe it or not, Bembas r the greatest nd silent tribalists.
Copperland
November 2, 2011 at 7:31 am
HH, what a waste! Ever since HH became boss of UPND, there’s been an increase of tribal debates, why? Its the kind of politics that HH has brought, tribal n regional politics! Why do tongas think presidency is their portion just because they v neva ruled b4? To all upnd cadres, dont paint upnd as a party wit support from all tongas, there sane tongas who knw dat the path being taken by hh is a dangerous one n have refused to be part of hh n clique!
Presidency is not an entitlement but it must be workd towards to n such an aspirant must have the right character n vision, if hh doesn’t change, history will change him n put him were he belongs, herding cattle!!
LETS GO NAREP, LETS GO, 2016'
November 2, 2011 at 8:15 am
LETS GO CHIPIMO & NAREP, LETS GO, 2016! Yep. Bembas might be tribalists but they don’t have a grudge for any1, they dont unnecesarily hate any1, as expressed by such tribes as Tongas & Lozis. It’ll be very difficult for these two tribes to make a president, for as long as they will remain regional. HH should be removed from UPND presidency, or LETS GO CHIPIMO & NAREP, LETS GO 2016!
HONDA
November 2, 2011 at 8:19 am
FACTS:
1. Sata got better votes in SP ( ~ 24,000) than he did in WP & NWP while HH got very small # of votes in Luapula & NP (~ 1000) even smaller than rejected/wasted votes. Don’t argue check facts/ results.
2. Sata’s cabinet has no appointments from NWP, SP, WP ( except Inonge). The cabinet is dominated by Bembas (or bemba speaking people).
3. In response to the article, I will tell you that Ila people of SP speak ila & is unlike tribes in Luapula & NP who speak bemba. Ushis speak bemba, Lundas of mwata kazembe speak bemba, etc. So why do you make absurd comparisons.
4. Tribalism is brewed by tribalism. Some Tongas have become tribal because of the insistence by others ( especially Bembas) that a Tonga must not rule. This has not been accepted by Tongas considering the fact that most Tongas are the elite & most bembas are just street vendors with little or no education.
Now from the above, tell me who is more tribal.
musonda
November 2, 2011 at 8:40 pm
The assumption that higher or lower votes in a particular area is evidence of tribalism is absurd. It maybe a strong indicator of tribalism if you are determined to be biased against all other reasons that people vote for a particular candidate and instead insist votes were cast from a purely tribalist perspective which is what you seem to be arguing. if so you and Makalu ( whom you condemn) are exactly the same only on opposing sides of the pond.
You must re-examine the cabinet because your statement is grossly innacurate. Tribalism is indeed brewed by tribalism it starts with an individual that makes a choice to be prejudiced against others because of their own prejudiced beliefs about another ethnic group.They then proceed to spread the hate, formulating fake facts to back their hate filled propaganda, no different from organized racsist groups. You do not become tribalist because a Bemba or Tonga made you that way, you choose to be tribalist and justify it by transfering blame from yourself to those you dislike. From “the above” the conclusion drawn is not that Bembas or Tongas are more tribalist than the other It’s simply you who is tribalist and would like to sway the masses to follow your “facts”. Those aren’t facts those are your personal opinions that u are clothing with the “fact jacket” to make them seem believable.
“Tongas are elite” “Bembas are street vendors” tongas have become tribal because of “other tribes” especially Bembas” you’re like a contemporary ethnocentric Hitler. you glorify your own tribe like hitler did germans you then single out “the others” much like hitler did the Jews and any non “pure” caucasian and then transfer blame for all your problems to the “other group” all we need is 100 more people with your mentality and a violent streak and we could have genocide. You seem like a smart person, so you should know that when you are attacked by tribalists don’t give them a platform to further their rubbish by reacting in the same manner that they would, there’s no need to stoop that low.
Zedian
November 2, 2011 at 8:31 am
Shallow, unintelligent zealotry.
babe-with-attitude
November 2, 2011 at 8:31 am
I can understand a sore loser, but a sore winner, that’s quite strange. It’s a phenomenon just found in Zambia.
People relax and enjoy yo victory. Or have you just realised that you were taken for a ride and now want to vent on anger on an innocent man?
Imagine being in govt to provide checks and balances to the opposition! Duh! It’s supposed to be the other way round.
So ba PF shut up and rule. Or is it that you have no clue on how to rule?
Hating HH is not ruling. HH is not a tribalist, you are!
zoro4thepipo
November 2, 2011 at 8:34 am
I don’t blame those pipo who think that HH is NOT a tribalist. But I feel sorry for them because most of these pipo ONLY know HH from the time he joined politics. They don’t know him from the time he was ‘working’ and when he was on the Boards in some of the businesses he was involved in. This guy is simply a SERIOUS TRIBALIST. Period! And don’t even think of his current association with RB and MMD, that he is not tribal since he has embraced them. NO it is simply a marriage of convinience. He is after something, he is simply up to no good. MMD wake up!
Zedian
November 2, 2011 at 8:45 am
Reading this blog, my take is that a lot of posts are made by uninformed little minds who dangerously think they qualify to be authorities albeit their subjectivity and ignorance.Some guys here perpetuate hate against other tribes without a shadow of shame.I am a Tonga Boy married to a Bemba girl. Honestly there are lots of stereotypes I have over come since and so is the same with my wife: she actually enjoys mabisi and chibwantu as I do her finkubala.I been to NP and the people there are marvelous and humble. She likes my people too. A lot of this tribal hate speech is coming, I believe, from chaps who have little exposure with other cultures and probably have no idea where they hail from.Its such a shame I have to share this post with some of these little numb skulls.
luangwa feira
November 2, 2011 at 8:58 am
call a spade a spade nt a spoon.All tongaz are tribalist check this out,majority of staff at chainama college of health sciences including dyer hostels are tongas nd enrollment of students 90percent of dem are tongas,NRDC are tongas.Go nd verify dis nd reply.So be carefull with yo sellection guys or else we are dissolving yo management soon.watch our steps.
Maestro
November 2, 2011 at 9:04 am
Just take a good look at the appointments made by the president (80%+) are Bemba aligned WTF! Bembas are the worst at this because they are the majority, one analogy here is ‘that guy with a log in his eye trying to remove a spec from another’s’. Am actually bemba myself and veru sad at these developments in a ‘ one Zambai one Nation’
nckbnd
November 2, 2011 at 9:14 am
mazoka was far mch beta dan dis hulehule man, he thinks dat tonga’s ar da only tribe in zambia i cant worst my vote on hulehule coz i kno our future presido is elias chipimo juniour. Sata we lov u thats why da easterns voted 4u unlyk dis pipo frm south that gave hh 99.2percent vote shame on u my brothers and sisters frm southern province.
zoro4thepipo
November 2, 2011 at 9:31 am
Please just a correction: it is VERY WRONG for someone to say ALL Tongas are tribalists, or that ALL Lozis are selfish or that ALL Easterners are wise and talkative or indeed that ALL Bembas are thieves or that ALL Bembas eat monkeys and that ALL Lozis eat that monitor lizard and that ALL Easterners eat Mbebas! That’s all PREJUDICE…come on pipo, let us grow out of this! Though I’m quick to say, some of these things mentioned above are true of some pipo:anyway all I can say is: ONE ZAMBIA ONE NATION
MWANA SIDOTI
November 2, 2011 at 10:11 am
MWEBANTU! Very soon the national language in this country will be BEMBA because Bemba has dominated every part of this country. Why havent the Tongas complained and yet in the Southern Province a lot of Bemba is spoken but you will NEVER find a Bemba in the Northern Province speaking Tonga. Please be very sincere on this one BEMBAS. MAWE
Tongabemba
November 2, 2011 at 10:18 am
Tongas & Bemba! A tonga looks at a bemba as a crook/thief! A bemba looks at tonga as selfish & very tribal.
But these same thieves have given you Tongas three Presidents! The question is WHY?
FATSO
November 2, 2011 at 10:20 am
Why has tribalist become so important because Mr Sata is ruling and HH lost? I have the answer; it is because HH eloped with MMD from Sata’s home and now he is leaking his wounds together with his mabisis chaps. How do you expect Sata to appoint those who were against him? He has however appointed the likes of Matongo whom HH disowned because he is ‘old’. We will see who will ‘foti, for him. I am Aushi and not Bemba.’Honda”is calling Bembas dull and with little education. Oooh, we will see who will vote for you intelligent ones and if you will ever rule Zambia, mwaba ifiko.
Amatako Yakali
November 2, 2011 at 10:29 am
This cancer of tribalism is going to explode one day. I think Dr Kenneth Kaunda should come on board and advise our presidents on how he managed to balance the tribal groupings in the countries.
azizy
November 2, 2011 at 10:39 am
HH U ARE A WISE MAN THATS WHY PIPO ARE TRYNG TO FRUSTRT U KEEP GOING WE NEED A LEADER WHO WILL SPEAK 4 ZAMBIANS IN UK,US,ETC.
Mark
November 2, 2011 at 10:48 am
Next election will be Bemba speaking chaps vs rest and rest will carry the Day. By rest i mean Lozi,Tongas,North westerners,central province. Urban areas will be handled by the post News Paper. The post can sway the urban voters. Fight against corruption is another issue that is of interest to urban dwellers.
HH please continue to hammer these tribalists. Why is it that when it is about HH bembas cry tribal and when it is bemba chap no one cries tribe?
Chax
November 2, 2011 at 10:59 am
Having seen all these comments, I can only say let’s remain united as a nation. The fact tht Chiluba(MHSRIP) stole doesnt mean all Bembas r thieves. HH’s tribalism doesnt make all Tongas tribalists, tho our brodaz n sistaz hav a lot of work 2do on ths.
Janet ngoza
November 2, 2011 at 11:00 am
Ba Zambia nichani Iam longing for the Kaunda days ‘one Zambia one nation”" where has it gone. Kaunda made a point of uniting Zambians irrespective of where they came from what is happening? too much fingure pointing tribalism is at its peak now Zambians let us unite as one family
Sola imputi
November 2, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Eye ba maputi (ass-hoes) grow up you will die suffering the thieves and the tribalists as you have termed them are busy enjoying their cash will your throats are drying out whilst you argue and quarrel Njala ya munokolani ba shit
Mubita
November 2, 2011 at 12:50 pm
HH you practise tribal politics. I once worked with HH at Grant Thornton and his tribal tendancies were very evident. I actually once heard him telling his fellow Tonga that once voted into power he would sort out all the bembas and favour tongas with contracts.
Chili bite10
November 2, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Tonga chaps,they just don’t seem to get it.please mwe n’gombe force this fact in your ****** thick heads,”sata is president”, that fledgling cow was too ****** to think he was more popular than ba, shikulu. This goes to you all cows,when a zambian party goes down,heck–! there is no way it’s gon’a get up on its feet again,believe me mmdupnd pact is utter nonsense.
Ba Willi
November 2, 2011 at 2:40 pm
HH chikala chakwe is tribalist indeed.I agree with the article.High time stanina uyu knew that we know his tricks.Basop.