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UPND Tells Off SATA “He Is Behaving Like King David, UPND MP’s Are NOT For POACHING”
UPND Cadres
OPPOSITION UPND will not allow its Members of Parliament (MPs) to be included in President Michael Sata’s government.
UPND national Secretary Winston Chibwe said allowing MPs from the opposition to accept cabinet positions from President Michael Sata would weaken both the democratic principals of the nation and the effective systems of offering checks and balances to government.
And Mr. Chibwe says the constitution committee of expert set up by President Sata is still illegal because there was no law backing its existence. In an interview, Mr. Chibwe said it was important for the people of Zambia to benefit from quality leadership with a meaningful developmental plan without any duress exerted to those executing the system.“The most important thing about working together you don’t go and pick individuals you have to consult form the other party, you negotiate with the sponsor of the people you want to include in your government, not to just pick individuals like the way the PF government is doing.”Mr. Chibwe said its members belonged to an institution which had a different ideology on governance and the rule of law.He said UPND would not be auctioned to the ruling PF for the sake of jobs in government.
“These Members of Parliament do not belong to themselves, they belong to the institution and that institution has a major role to play. It is only the UPND which has the authority to give them a person to work with not them picking,” Mr. Chibwe.He said UPND had not been approached because from its inception it had made its position known for parties that wanted to work with it.Mr. Chibwe said President Sata was behaving like King David in the ancient days in the Bible in 2 Samuel Chapter 12 where he took people from other tribes leaving his own because they were incapable.“President Sata doesn’t have people to work with in the PF because of their low calibre; he doesn’t have people who are prepared to run government with him, people who helped him win an election are complaining, the issue of more money in the pocket is not yet attainable, people among them youths are still unemployed as he has failed to create any single job.”He said people who had helped President Sata win the election were slowly running away from him because were not considered for any jobs.And Mr. Chibwe insisted that President Sata’s committee of expert on the constitution was still illegal because it was not backed by the law.He said the committee was not of experts but a group of people assigned to deliver Sata constitution.“The composition that has been constituted by Mr. Sata falls short of inclusiveness and it will not deliver what is expected of the people of Zambia, he has come out to say that he is balancing up brains not regions or tribes but you should know that there are things which are sensitive with regards to the constitutional making process,” he said.id there was no way President Sata would insult the people of Zambia over suggesting that he would only work with people with brains.The Oasis Forum a body comprising of the Law Association of Zambia, Zambia Episcope Conference, Christian Council of Zambia, The Evangelical Fellowship of Zambia and the Non Governmental Coordinating Council have expressed concern in the manner the committee of experts has been tailored.
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Wanu Ngwee
January 2, 2012 at 7:37 pm
WHAT’S WRONG WITH RECOGNISING EACH OTHER? It’s correct in the principle of inclusiveness for the President to appoint opposition MP’s into cabinet, but what’s wrong with him consulting their parties first? He can proceed to appoint them without their party’s consent in instances where the party fails to co-operate, but the candidate accepts the appointment. But the way he’s doing it is like bullying them, really…
musonda
February 27, 2013 at 2:38 pm
am told there are limited brainee mps in pf hence poaching for now is the only solution
STEVE
January 2, 2012 at 8:09 pm
The MMD set the Precedence, What is Chibwe talking about? This is not the first time opposition member has been appointed to a ministerial position.UPND should stop attacking PF and instead concentrate on rejuvenating their party.
fwaka
January 2, 2012 at 8:46 pm
imwe fi pf, upnd has principled and learned people- thats why upnd cudnt work wth pf in the pact. pf had and has no clear agenda, other than kaponya populism. so, thats the principles upon which upnd is built and only a person of that calibre can undastand it- otherwise the majority of you here are as gud as thoz street guyz-jst that you hav internet.
Kapoma Kabaso
January 2, 2012 at 9:26 pm
If upnd has principled and learned poeple, why didn’t they win the elections then? Baseless claims ,that have no effect on zambian politics. It’s because of your arrogance, is the reason why you can’t win an election on your own. By 2016 upnd will only be a handful of people.Remember there are other parties with young and vibrant educated people than the ones you have.It will be very tough for upnd, unless you change your barbaric atitude.
Hakachite Hakaivotela himayumbuta
January 2, 2012 at 9:56 pm
It’s UPndo again. Forget to ever win the election. All Tongas Tubole antomwe Tuunke kumunzi kubotu. Ndakomba Pliz bina HH. Ndakuyanda kapati. HH to be president! Chitaa!
Sikota
January 2, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Very unzambian stance. Its not about Chibwe and Up And Down (UPND) but serving the Zambian people. If you do not want to serve please stay out of politics!
Hakachite Hakaivotela himayumbuta
January 2, 2012 at 9:59 pm
HH mboali mubotu kumenso, moyo-wake mubi.
kandi
January 2, 2012 at 10:07 pm
zed politics makes me sick! politicians forever arguing and everyone forgets the people in between who suffer because our leaders want to blacken each other instead of looking after us. twapapata work together not against each other in the end we will all benefit from co-operation and not corruption
Sojo
January 2, 2012 at 10:22 pm
The problem with UPND is their self -praise. If u are educated,why cant u make a gud analysis of the voting pattern? U also wrongly think that there are more educated pipo in upnd (tongas) than the rest of zambia. Why do the uneducated win the election with that big margin as compared to yo results. What wud u have done to the constitution looking at the fact that it had even reached parliament? I voted 4 PF becoz of mo money in yo poket slogan.and this cud not come within 90 days bcoz increment is efectd ths year with 2m tax free.is ths not mo money in my pocket?the eductd upnd u cant see ths,what kind of education are boasting about.carry a survey and see if yo unnecesary criticism is making popular or not. Get a life guys.
chaona
January 3, 2012 at 12:37 am
The solution to this problem is a good constitution which should deter selfish politicians from crossing over.I t should be spelt out that any MP who would resign should not recontest the seat for a minimum of five years. Secondly, the party that expels a sitting MP should not adopt any candidate for that particular seat. Thirdly, a party that has lost a seat through death of a sitting MP should be allowed to float a candidate to take over if General Elections are less than nine months away, except for the indipendent MP.
Chimbwi No plan
January 3, 2012 at 12:48 am
Sorry UPND dry ur tiers with ur personal to holder (HH) party. Sorry osa lila u will win keep trying. How about trying someone else as candidate next time?
Mrs H.H
January 3, 2012 at 3:04 am
WHATS UP WITH THS UNDER 5 BOY? HIS BITTERNES,SADDIST,TRIBALIST,UNCIVILISED NATURE IS 2 MUCH JST LIV SATA ALONE IF HE CHOOSE HIS CABINET FRM P.F ONLY U COMPLAIN THAT HE DOES NT WNT 2 WRK WIT OPPOSITION PARTIES. KUMUSHI MWAKULILE BA H.H KWALIMICHITA BAD. U THNK U GAIN POPULARITY BY CHILDISH CRITISIM?
Jigga
January 3, 2012 at 5:23 am
Hate them or love them, they have a point. Whaat’s happening will kill the democracy of checks and balances that our country so badly needs after the abuse experienced under the MMD government. This appointing of opposition MPs doesn’t happen in advanced democracies. What’s even double standard about this is that PF expelled the so called ‘rebel MPs’ when they were in the opposition and these guys accepted jobs from the late Levy Mwanawasa. You see what goes round, comes around!
We need a strong parliament that can provide proper checks and balances. If the PF wants to ‘work’ with the opposition, they should work with them in parliament while they are in the opposition. I think we need a law which is going to outlaw this cheap trend.
reex
January 3, 2012 at 7:19 am
ba UPND you should grow up. then how do you expect to advertise yourselves if you wont even work for the govt of the day?
RKO
January 3, 2012 at 7:22 am
FUK UPND AND YOUR STUPD MP’S. WHO NEEDS THEM ANYWAY? MAGOYE IDYOTS.
Naijaboy
January 3, 2012 at 7:47 am
UPND idiots leave king David alone.
man k
January 3, 2012 at 7:59 am
TAFICILAPO IFYAKULANDA PANTU MWE BANTU BAMO MWALISHIBIKWA ATI IFYOMULANDA TA FIPELA AMANO NANGUFYE PANONO.MR. CHIBWE TUSHENIKO PANONO PANTU NGANIONO MWAKA WENA MWALALWALA TAPAPOSE NENSHITA IIKULU SANA UUKAFUMAMOFYE MU BANTUSTAN NINSHI TWASEDA ABANAMU CABINET YESU.ALA ECONDELANDILA ATI MWALALWALA TEKANYENIFYE.
just me
January 3, 2012 at 8:33 am
Ba UPND, you are the same people accusing HEMCS of being a tribalist, if your members are as principled as you say they are there’s nothing to fear, in fact they will even be in a better position to offer checks and balances seeing that they will now be part of the system.
This is actually a good opportunity for your members to show the country what you bring to the table through your style of leadership.
Tell me, did MMD approach you before they poached Liato or even the late Tetamashimba?
@ Jigga, PF expelled the rebels for participating in the making of a sham constitution which was not in the interest of the people.
Get rich by always being with the ruling party
January 3, 2012 at 9:03 am
Democratic systems should allow a strong base for different views to facilitate a critical analysis of any plan before it is implemented. A strong base is the men & women who were chosen as MPs from bothruling & parties which did not form the gov’t.
Some traces of Judas’ blood which demnads for silver, at all times, is steal running in some of our brothers’ viens. They need to be prayed for. The SCOAN and otherchrches should pray for us for common sense to which has been eroded in some qurters.
Trevor
January 3, 2012 at 9:05 am
Mr Jigga be informed that the constitution of Zambia allows the president to appoint Ministers from among the members of parliament, it does not say consult before appointing them. Its up to the mp to either consult his/her party or his/her inner demons before taking up the appointment. And by the way, what checks and balances were offered by UPND in the prevoius parliament apart from supporting MMD and opposing everything that PF brought on the floor? UPND supported MMD at NCC and even voted for the NCC bill in parliament and only changed their mind in the second round after realizing that the clause of running mate promised to them by George Kunda had been referred to a referendum. Another thing that ba JIGGA should know is that MPS and Zambians at at large had set conditions for attending NCC and when the mps did the opposite they were expelled on account of betraying the pipo and no necessarily the PF as a party. And lastly, the less educated PF could tell that NCC was doomed whilst, the most wise, educated and skilled leaders of UPND could not see the same coming. And i put it to you Mr Jigga that when elections come, who do u vote for? Is it the educated and visionless or less educated with a vision? And how come the wisdom of UPND is only visible to pipo in ONE province out of TEN? Are the all the nine provinces tribal? Read between the lines and you may find that pipo sometimes mistake foolishness for wisdom…….
EXCELLENCE
January 3, 2012 at 9:08 am
Ba UPND nimwe mwale landa ati ba kateka niba tribalist nomba bamisale muleshupa futi wat else do you need?dont be difficult for nothing.
OBSERVER
January 3, 2012 at 9:17 am
This is the right time to include a clause in our constitution to curb the worse of our resources to prevent politicl ‘prostitution’ some elected Mps who resign and opt to be re-elcted using the ticket of the ruling party. You have the right of association but not to the extent of abusing public resources. When elected remain in parliament unless withdrwan by the electorates. Don’t enter parliament always with the hope of being a minister, IMPLEMENT THE PROGRAMMES THE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED YOU NEED .
Kay
January 3, 2012 at 9:19 am
My fellow Tumfweko friends, it’s good to hear from your diverse views expressed both in high and low tones. Believe me you all got points lets just consistently remove the names of tribes so that only one name “Zambian” can be heard. From all the tribes there are good and bad people, educated and uneducated people etc one a person is right we should not look at the tribe to confirm that you can be any tribe and be right or wrong in your contribution @fwaka lets not take things personal with too much hate in your words. We are all Zambians lets just mention areas where we feel the govt is erring and propose correctional measures. God is great they will pick one or two ideas from your comments which will in turn help shape this country for better
GMS King
January 3, 2012 at 9:27 am
Chi Chibwe basiye azako adwele as Ministers in GRZ. jEROUS
kamwendo
January 3, 2012 at 9:29 am
Well, if HECHE HECHE isn’t “oiling” them well, do you expect them to live on hungry stomachs???? Start by convinving them to have political morals, But then , you have to counter this by their “apparent” innate patriotism to serve UNDER THE GREAT PF party!!!!
Trevor
January 3, 2012 at 9:32 am
You are spot on Mr Kay advise Mr Fwaka who seems rather blank just like his idols whom he claims are of high calibre yet fail to analyse the political climate and ultimately the out come of a general election in a third world country……… Its sad that such are the pipo claiming to be of high calibre.
mmk
January 3, 2012 at 9:44 am
Keep it up UPND. we really need the opposition intact. african leaders are traitors.
Snr.citizen
January 3, 2012 at 9:47 am
UPND was formed in order to form gvt and serve the Zambian people. What wrong does it make if a capable mp is appointed to serve the people in pf gvt?Is he/she serving the pf party or working for the people. My appeal to the mps is that do not fear to work if you are given the opportunity to do so cos you are there in parliament to serve the people you represent, if you are in decision making you can even perform better.
haamutete
January 3, 2012 at 10:25 am
@fwaka u are such a fool, go back to yo land and count how many people who are following ingombe pamatako.no wonder they vote so primitive.then came and tell us who are educated.
Dk@politics
January 3, 2012 at 11:03 am
But UPND is the fake party we have ever had in this country.This man Chibwe is contradicting himself when he says,”allowing MPs from the opposition to accept cabinet positions from President Michael Sata would weaken both the democratic principals of the nation and the effective systems of offering checks and balances to government.” if he thinks very well this is strengthening democracy and also allows those MPs to fight from within the system,bcoc they will know exactly what is transpired n happening.Chibwe shows how ignorant he is about governance.Democracy is rule by the people not by self opposition.Let us be One Zambia One nation.We can give checks n balances wherever we r n in whatever status we hold.Oh UPND,put yo asses down n think!
Kalulete
January 3, 2012 at 11:13 am
Though this is about serving the zambians , i disagree this this system of picking people from the opposition to be given cabinet posts, if this was a govt of national unity i would have agreed with it BUT NOT IT ISN’T,let , so what sata is doing isn’t right,not long ago PF had rebel MPs the machungwas and company,and the sad thing is that MMD is tolerating this nosense, i believe they think sata will be sympathetic towards them in the fight against corruption, well get it from me no such thing will happen and i hope all of you will go down to where you belong if found guilty. Sata is a clever guy and all he is doing is trying to weaken the opposition and he is succeeding with the foolish MMD remaining MUTE. WAKE UP MMD YOU ARE ABOUT TO HIT THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA < YOU ALREADT SUNK AND ARE FIGHTING FOR YOUR LAST BREATH
AZOZA
January 3, 2012 at 11:36 am
UPND Tulemiteesha kachusha. Muzalila….
Its PF Barcelona VS UPND Lusaka Tigers
Florence Wachimonahu Dehi
January 3, 2012 at 11:58 am
I think Mr Chibwe needs to start by asking what these UPND MPs are doing in Parliament. If it’s service to the people then give them space to serve. A principled person serves better when put in the system than from outside. Good governance starts with good policies, which are made in-house. Correct me if am wrong.
Kalumba Mundea
January 3, 2012 at 1:04 pm
In Zambia, we have a problem of Leadership. This UPND Secreatry General is very dull. The constitution allows for the President to pick from within the Members of Parliament in the House. Then second, the people are complaining that SATA is being tribal by leaving out certain regions in his appointments. Now that he has tried to do a balancing act you call him “King David”. Thats not being fair. He is the president for all Zamnbians as such its only fair that he appoints all Zambians regardless of their political affiliation. In Zambia consultations are too retrogressive and some people are just bent on frustrating others. Sometimes if you have to succeeed you have bypass some of these forces of inertia. Just imagne if he restricted himself to PF, there would have been 95% cabinet from Luapula, Northern, CB and Lusaka. The same UPND would have stood on the platform and cried the loudest. What is getting at UPND is the lack of maturity of having refused to be in the PACT with PF. The fact they dumped PF when its was all clear that PF and the pact were going to form the next government has been haunting them.
Janet C
January 3, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Well too bad for UPND – they are sooooo fooolish. Having ‘insiders’ in govt could actually help to give them ammunition for their 2016 campaign!!!! BUT as usual, foolish, childish under-5 HH is tooo proud for this. By the time he wakes up, those UPND MPs would have defected to PF!!!
Kolwe
January 3, 2012 at 5:09 pm
I fail to understand our zambian politics. It was SATA who cried foul over his MPS who opted to work with the previous govt. He called them Rebels. Today he sees it fit to co-opt or steal oposition MPS.
Swine Flue
January 4, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Actually thats what we call wisdom where one is able to detect talent elsewhere and make use of it in the best interest of the Kountry, and not in the interest of one selfish organisation.
Wapya 2Jobz
January 4, 2012 at 12:52 pm
In Zambia we need pipo like Sikota,Just me and Trevor you are learned not educated like Fwaka, Jigga and UPND (Chibwe). UPND they dont have vision to govern this beloved country, these pipo are like George Kunda and the MMD. Obama in America appointed his opponet.What are you saying? Pipo dont know why they are politicians. So mr Chibwe go and study civics then come and criticise. We need MPs to be working together in order to bring development in our country. Surely what types of CHECK & BALANCES can be provided by you UPND? Your president was corrupted on NCC by George Kunda.
Nickie
January 4, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Isukulu ya fwaka fwe!
Nickie
January 4, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Ulu bangula lwalishupa!
mubotu
January 4, 2012 at 3:38 pm
for any democratic state to truly be a democracy let the opposition do its job and be a check on the ruling party, whoever thinks its o.k 2 appoint mps from the opposition into the govt undermines the very tenets of democracy, the only way sata should work with the opposition is by negotiating deals in parliament that bring about healthy debates and are a benefit to the common zambian,not by him getting mps from the opposition hence weakening it and turning zambia into a 1 party state.i fully support MMD & UPND that they get rid of thoz ill willed mps and who cannot do their jobs as an oppositon.long kive democracy, sata is not king the pipo of Zambia are KING!
mwaka
January 4, 2012 at 4:44 pm
what is from God is from God.if God wants HH to be president nothing can hinder him. ask Dora if she knew zat Sata will be president. where is money in our pockets zero batata.
praxade
January 4, 2012 at 4:53 pm
shameless tribalists they’re at it again,these ****** tribalists never seem to learn,these lunatics of the centuary they claim to be educated but there analysing of things leaves much to be desired,look at the chief tribalist himself HH and the idots dat surrounds him they cant think straight they’re owez hilusnating wat type of pipo ar these?remember you sadists they say knowledge without charater is useless,more over no one needs yo mps bcoz u’re all danda heads u cant bring out sumthing meaniful u cant bring abt any develpment jst keep on feasting on tribalism sumthing u’re good at not national issues useless pipo u wil never rule us we will never i mean never entrust a tonga bull with leadership bcoz they think they’re smart for nothing,viva,bravo,exallent,smart PF!!!
Ibolo
January 4, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Ka HH Kalibolo saana ka chikala
son of Hichilema
June 7, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Idiots UPND we give u chance you refuse it.In fact you can’t even bring rational ideas in our visional party,it was just a 1,2 1,2 testing we cannot work with simpletons okay
Philip
June 11, 2012 at 7:51 pm
From the comments here i see that HH and UPND are the biggest threats to Sata and PF. If UPND was not a factor it would be so easily ignored the way other parties are treated. Now i see HH gives PF sleepless nights
natola fwe
June 14, 2012 at 11:53 am
Ba PF you have a short memory.you xpeld the 21 rebel mps on the bases of violeting party principles.Now UPND does it and it has become a crime now? be real chiwamila galu kuluma mbuzi ayi,nowanda people are saying no plan.Learn to respect others if you want to be respected too.you behave as if you are still in the opposition wake up guys you are ruling now show maturity.Lead by example.stopeti bakabwalala nywebo