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The Truth About Clive Chirwa’s Parents
Professor Clive Chirwa
I WANT to correct what I believe are factual errors given by Features Writer (Times of Zambia, November 19, 2012) concerning Professor Clive Chirwa’s background. The Features Writer reports that Clive Chirwa’s mother, Tody, also comes from Eastern Province.
According to the information I have, Clive Chirwa’s mother. Agatha Mwamba, is evidently not from Eastern Province. In one article in the online magazine, UKZAMBIANS (June 26 2012), in which Clive Chirwa argued the case for dual citizenship, this is what he said about his background:
“If I was born three centuries ago in Central Africa, I would have been recognised to possess multi-citizenships as a Chewa (Jus sanguinis) through my father, as a Bemba (Jus sanguinis) through my mother and as a Lamba (Jus soli) since I was born in Mufulira and just being a Mufken.”
Further investigation reveals that Clive Chirwa’s father, Eford Noah Chirwa Sr, from Nyanda Village in Chipata moved to the Copperbelt with his parents Yona Kavilaba and Esnart Mukalimo where they were offered employment at Bwana Mukubwa Mines in Ndola. After a number of years of schooling, Clive’s father moved out of the family house in Ndola and started working first in Chingola and then settled in Mufulira. It is while in Mufulira when he met Clive’s mother, Agatha Mwamba.
Musonda Lemba
University of Zambia
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Mumbi Kolobwe
November 29, 2012 at 6:36 am
This isssue of dual citizenship is very serious, if we are to attain any maeningful and evident development then it should proceed as planned.
Prior to the independence of Zambia people moved freely across borders. With sovereignity
challenges of the 21st Century, SADC is moving closer into a global village.
Zambia is 48 lets not lose out of valued human resource just because someone is not a so called ‘son of the soil’.
Logical Thinker
November 29, 2012 at 6:37 am
Author, so what the hell?
Pathako Pa Tambala
November 29, 2012 at 6:55 am
Some scriblings, you even wonder why!! The author definitely must be from Barotseland.
Whether born from a bemba, lozi, kaonde, tumbuka, tubulu, lenje soli woman, the fact is he is zedian period!
ma rubbish
November 29, 2012 at 9:48 am
Zambian he is but the author is just trying to state the facts as they are unlike the one from Ukwa’s paper who want to mislead the masses!If you were a public figure,and someone wrote an article suggesting that your mother was Lozi yet she was Nsenga,would you just leave it coz both are Zambian tribes? yaba,some reasoning!!
OS
November 29, 2012 at 7:16 am
What is the fussy about Chirwe’s parentage ? Even the article reads like a mad man was writing. Zambians with jungle minds while other countries are developing at a fast rate you just talk .fools!
ma rubbish
November 29, 2012 at 9:49 am
you are the one who is a fool!!
elyo caisa
November 29, 2012 at 7:18 am
Nshimwenemo umulandu muli uyu chirwa….next pliz!
NZINYONGA
November 29, 2012 at 7:25 am
So what?
Chirwa
November 29, 2012 at 7:41 am
So wat? Useless article just like the author
ma rubbish
November 29, 2012 at 9:51 am
You just faied his course because of shakers and jili power.Dr.Lemba is a well respected lecturer!
Kz
November 29, 2012 at 7:47 am
@os i agree with u the person who wrote this article is mad and lacks basic education
Figo
November 29, 2012 at 7:52 am
Someone tell me something, jst bcoz he is getting closer to contesting the presidency, his “dream” ?? Lets have some upright pipo to run this country pliz….If we could outsource leadership,we could have brought in Obama….So whether he is Zambian or not lets leave him to do the job….lets not dwel on petty issues, grow brains up pipo…
girl on fire
November 29, 2012 at 7:56 am
So what!!! Elo tuchitenshi? Tunye? Guys mind you writing skills…is this a kind of article to post online sure.
Jabulani
November 29, 2012 at 7:59 am
Now we understand why he endorsed Sata last year.
FUTURE PRESIDENT-ZAMBIA
November 29, 2012 at 8:05 am
YOU JUST TALK MOST ZAMBIANS, SO WHAT IS THE ISSUE WITH CHIRWA’s PARENTS???
MUNYELO PWETE!
November 29, 2012 at 8:26 am
@Musonda Lemba
I hope you are not the Dr Lemba Musonda, Demographer that i know from Unza! I have said this because i knew you as a distinguished scholar who can not waste his time on such a non issue!
Ba Lemba please leave those small issues to characters like Janet C and concentrate on your usual staff such as SS 241/242, DE 111/112, DE 411/412 and other critical social and demographic research!
Umupandapwiti
November 29, 2012 at 8:27 am
Just came straight to the comments it seems there more interesting than the damn article.
bwaly kalilo
November 29, 2012 at 8:35 am
mwatampako ukumusonsomba not untill you find him with aka fukwa
godfrey
November 29, 2012 at 8:37 am
so?
Big Brother
November 29, 2012 at 8:42 am
Leave UNZA out of it, thats why its graded downwards because of such articles. Now give Chirwa some statistics and not waste this mans time. We are paying hm alot of money make him produce.
Tell him how the populations along the line of rail should be impacted,or have been impacted previously or some environmental assessment as a result of his proposed developments….something like that…do I have to think for you all the time..sis
Brad
November 29, 2012 at 8:43 am
The fact is he was born in Zambia in the town of Mufulira just like me, whether the parents were from Malawi like me it does affect his citizenship. Grow up bloggers.
taliban
November 29, 2012 at 9:01 am
what a crap article..who’s clive ..?
Wemfula Isa Isa
November 29, 2012 at 9:45 am
This article couldn’t have come at a better time. Thanx Musonda Lemba. Now we have some facts about the national railway line boss. As a scribe, I highly regard such facts and I’ll save it in my cuttings.
Ne
November 29, 2012 at 10:01 am
efilya ndanda lyonse, let us concentrate on meaningful matters, if this man’s gonna develop the infrastructure in our country, let him go ahead, it doesnt matter if he’s chinese or indian or american, guys let us focus on important issues here.
Rupia Nkongole
November 29, 2012 at 10:20 am
The author is putting the record straight. Misiformation should not be tolerated
Mposa Mabwe
November 29, 2012 at 10:26 am
Dr. Lemba is a well known academician. Many people who have graduate form the School of Humanities and Social Sciences know this big brain. Please do not insult him. He has taught Tongas, Lozis, Kaluundas etc in short he is not a tribalist like the Watchdog. Give respect where it is due.
am a serious PF DIE HARD.
November 29, 2012 at 10:46 am
what is the point here. is the author insuating that only people with bemba blood can get appointments in Sata’s government or what. am lost.
umwanakashi wa mano
November 29, 2012 at 11:03 am
Its very difficult to develop in zambia so is it difficult to develop a zambian too,because of this same mentality,always hopping for the worst,this article wasnt a productive one,even my 5 year old daughter would have thought of something better to write…this man has been given a job by our president,and instead of giving him the courage the strengh he needs right now,you are busy digging his bacground and trying to find faults.so what if he has a lil thorns in his life???comon pipo let us look forward to the development of our country,i want to get on a train one dayn and go ku kopala……..
LUO
November 29, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Actually Prof Clive Chirwa’s mother is pure congolese from lubumbashi.Let him deny that Mami mayenge the dancing queen for amayenge dancing ensemble and Didi the katondo money changer and bana Mwelwa are not his sisters from the DRC. If you listen to him carefully he has a deep french lingala accent gained while he stayed with his mum in lubumbashi.
Tulatwabane
November 29, 2012 at 12:12 pm
So what that is non of our business.
So
November 29, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Da fact is Dr. Chirwa is BEMBA! Period. (in BEMBALAND we follow materilinial wen it cums to determinin your CLAN!!!).
Umwina Nkana
November 29, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Imwe mwe bantu, look around developed countries. Their interest always is – can this person bring value to our country?. if yes, where he comes from is a matter for the sewer!!!
Wakowako
November 29, 2012 at 1:50 pm
??
Wanu Ngwee
November 29, 2012 at 2:21 pm
So, what’s the story here?
Zuze
November 29, 2012 at 2:45 pm
and this helps us how?
BAD
November 29, 2012 at 3:04 pm
DUAL CITIZENSHIP IS NO GOOD. LET PEOPLE CHOOSE WHO THEY ARE. ZAMBIAN OR WHATEVER.
Komani
November 29, 2012 at 4:58 pm
You cannot be a Jew and an infidel
The Pheonix
November 29, 2012 at 5:58 pm
are these the Things that Dr Lemba researches on these days and then he fails students who research on serious topics.
Dead politian
November 29, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Comphresion gentlemen is what you are lacking. The author is just correct the misinformation thats all. You reasoning is so shallow. You are just adverting your ignorance. Think after reading before condemning people.
Yellow Snake
November 29, 2012 at 7:43 pm
The author has no brains,there is no sense in his/her writing.
Acid
November 29, 2012 at 10:09 pm
You are all fools period. Go to your farms its rain season.
muzeleze
November 30, 2012 at 7:12 am
Clive is our next President nomba ninshi?
Mwinemushi2
November 30, 2012 at 12:46 pm
He is just Managing Director of Zambian Railways, does that require background check on his parentage and other details.
Shweaty Shtuff
November 30, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Academics believe in getting to the nitty gritty of things. Whatever you state must be proved. That is their job. Dr Lemba is just sticking to his job: clarifying things even if you may not consider these things as important. Some of you here just want to see your rubbish published on a website so you attack an educated man as if you’re speaking to a drinking mate in a tavern
Kulekwamyo Kapyololo
November 30, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Who gives a damn about the chap’s parentage, atase?
Tikalipo
November 30, 2012 at 1:57 pm
ba Zambia always good at bringing non-topical issues even where ONE would like to do you good,you have to ask “who are your parents to give me this?”
former Big brain from UNZA
November 30, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Dr Lemba is a very respected man, even our president know that, he was just correcting the error in the first edition that’s so..As the other guys have said, comprehension guys, before you say something know what you are saying,is it morally riggt or wrong…U have no right to start insulting Dr.Lemba, unless you did not grasp the article period
Former Big brain from UNZA
November 30, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Dr Lemba is a very respected man, even our president know that, he was just correcting the error in the first edition that’s so..As the other guys have said, comprehension guys, before you say something know what you are saying,is it morally right or wrong…U have no right to start insulting Dr.Lemba, unless you did not grasp the article period
Dumb
November 30, 2012 at 5:42 pm
In my opinion, the author is trying to stress that Chirwa has Bemba blood, that Easterners should not feel they own him wholly. Tribalist Lemba!!!
MaxMbizo
December 1, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Dumb.
You are certainly dumb. A lot of us, including myself are mixed bloods, with my mother and father from different tribes and provinces. I personally know Dr. Lemba; he is actually a mixed guy, born and brought up on the Copperbelt. I suspect you are one of those unmixed type who came to Lusaka for the first from some rural outpost. I pity guys like you.