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Magande Justifies KCM’s Job Losses
Magande
Commenting on threats by President Michael Sata to revoke Konkola Copper Mines’s operating license following the company’s decision to lay off 1,500 workers due to advanced mechanization of operations, Mr. Magande warned that such threats have the potential to destabilise other mining companies and investors.
In an interview with Hot FM News, Mr. Magande has advised President Michael Sata to allow technocrats to handle the KCM matter.
Meanwhile, Mr. Magande has justified the reasons KCM has given to lay off the 1,500 workers.
He explained that the advanced mechanization at the mining firm is one way of trying to lower the cost of doing business as well as adapting to the modern way of mining operations.
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katwishi mukwai
November 6, 2013 at 8:24 am
No money in our pockets!
wiseman
November 6, 2013 at 8:35 am
I was thinking Mangande was presidential material. Im very disappointed at his baseless utterances. I thought he had his head on top of his shoulders and that he could it, I got it wrong. As a president the citizens take priority. You need to protect and defend them especially when their jobs are at stake. What the president did was for the best of all of us. If it fails well and good at least he tried. No wonder we were losing jobs like rats in MMD time and the government was just quite.
Buchi
November 6, 2013 at 4:07 pm
These jobs about to be lost were created by the MMD. Threats will not create jobs. ZCCM went down because when it was time to mnimize cost, we did not do anything for fear that we may lose votes, as a result the whole thing went down and all jobs lost. This may happen at KCM. Not only 1529 will be lost, but everything.
cs
November 6, 2013 at 5:19 pm
KCM has employed a lot of Indians who do nothing but get paid at the expense of a Zambian who does most of the work. Why cant the retrench the Indians instead?
Chanda ngosa
November 6, 2013 at 8:42 am
Ba magande if u dot have anything say beta u shut up foolish leader.ukutumpa ***** change yo behaviour ka magande foolish u & yo dirty party.
Jamba
November 7, 2013 at 12:54 pm
So its true when people say Bembas have very small brains to comprehend matters of such magnitude. KCM is running business here. Let me give you an example Mr. Monkey eater. If you used to employ 20 casual workers to cultivate your field the day you acquire a tractor you won’t need all those workers. Instead, you will replace them with one skilled employee called tractor driver.
Truthful
November 6, 2013 at 8:50 am
ba Magande-lost cause!
Isaac
November 6, 2013 at 8:53 am
I am failing to understand what Magande is trying to put across. Just because someone is poor then he/she can be abused. Its difficult to comprehend the logic behind this former minister. That is exactly pipo were saying about Zamtel govt has no capacity to run Zamtel, to day Zamtel is one of the competitors in the market and doing very fine rather than being sold for a song to LAP GREEN.
Jamba
November 7, 2013 at 1:02 pm
Another dull Bemba man showing the whole world his stupidity.
Isaac
November 7, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Get out and hand you quack. Am not Bemba but i articulate issues the way they are.Out all the bloggers, you’re probably the only one exhibiting a profound mental disorder on national issues like the one we are discussing.
Jamba
November 7, 2013 at 5:13 pm
You Bemba monkey, KCM is not a government entity, its a private company. Should the government decide to revoke KCM mining licence, thousands more Zambians will be thrown out on the streets. Running a mine is different from running that kantemba next to the pit latrine at your place.
G
November 6, 2013 at 8:58 am
After the Govt has messed up with everything….how do u expect companies to operate??? and u now start behaving like a Chimpazee issuing PRESIDENTIAL ORDERS.
WHT A SHIT….!! This dull president.
swine
November 6, 2013 at 9:03 am
Show some morals retard!
Monku
November 6, 2013 at 9:12 am
if would have if he had any!
Monku
November 6, 2013 at 9:13 am
He would have if he had any. No Morals!
wiseman
November 6, 2013 at 11:25 am
Kumar and his nincompoops have turned KCM into Konkola Collapsing Mines. Which mines does Kumar run in India itself? After making super profits from our mines, the only good thing these nincompoops can do is buy more shops.
Simaata Simaata
November 6, 2013 at 12:18 pm
The late Mwanawasa Levy MHSRIH (May His Soul Rest In Internal Hell)’s MMD and Magande as Financial Minister sold then viable KCM Plc to Indians for a song. We had mine alot of ore and then had plenty of both cobal and copper stock piles. What is this Tonga ***** talking about? As a matte, the Indians corrupted Levy and him to buy these mines so cheaply. Please do not upset us, Magande wa mwana wa dog iwe!
Simaata Simaata
November 6, 2013 at 12:20 pm
The late Mwanawasa Levy MHSRIH (May His Soul Rest In Internal Hell)’s MMD and Magande as Financial Minister sold then viable KCM Plc to Indians for a song. We had mine alot of ore and then had plenty of both cobal and copper stock piles. What is this Tonga ***** talking about? As a matter of facts, the Indians corrupted Levy and him to buy these mines so cheaply. Please do not upset us, Magande wa mwana wa dog iwe! Wasalanga ameno, we mbwaa we!
G
November 6, 2013 at 9:01 am
@Wiseman ve u EVER RUN any business venture ? I doubt your Wisedom as your name states……MAGANDE is Right.
After the Govt has messed up with everything….how do u expect companies to operate??? and u now start behaving like a Chimpazee issuing PRESIDENTIAL ORDERS.
WHT A SHIT….!! This dull president.
metal
November 6, 2013 at 9:43 am
chikala chobe tomba wiso!
wiseman
November 6, 2013 at 9:45 am
Give the Mine back if u cannot run it- Simple. If u say u can run it then keep the workers. There are already investors who are ready to take over and run it profitably.
Isaac
November 6, 2013 at 9:46 am
Where did the govt mess you sloven. Your dander head is full of nothing but dirty water which in fact is obscured. Use your little remaining brains if at all is any,not foolish emotions and envies.
Isaac
November 6, 2013 at 9:51 am
We know you’re Mr Kumar or Kuma’s colleagues. The truth is,you have lamentably failed run the mines pack your bags and go back to wherer you came from. You’re a disaster on our land!
Jamba
November 7, 2013 at 5:15 pm
Foolish kaponya with monkey brain.
TRIPOLI
November 6, 2013 at 9:11 am
magande kwena uli mupuba zoona
Umupandapwiti
November 6, 2013 at 9:12 am
Shut up already Mr. Makandi!!!
pat
November 6, 2013 at 9:14 am
Magande is the ****** who brought Vedanta to Zambia no wonder he is justifying this rubbish,**** you magande….
Monku
November 6, 2013 at 9:15 am
Magande!!!! very disappointing and well uninformed. has some1 paid you? nowander you are the only one existing in your party.
tiberia
November 6, 2013 at 9:24 am
foolish you magande.
wiseman
November 6, 2013 at 9:39 am
The former government made a terrible mistake to give such a big mine like KCM to the Indians. Leave the shops to the Indians and the mines to Americans or Australian investors. Look at what Indians did to Luanshya Mine. The company was bussy selling copper and yet its employees went for years without pay and the president then was not bored enough to stop the nonsense until the whole thing collapsed. I still support Sata on this one its either they tell us they cannot run the mine or they continue and maintain the workers. KCM operates in Chingola, Chililabombwe, Kitwe and Konkola and if it goes down the whole copperbelt will go down with it.We cannot afford that now.
civic citizen
November 6, 2013 at 10:00 am
Thats the problem when you mix politics with business, in a capitalist model. Magande’s explanation is simple enough even for laymen to comprehend. As it stands, on average, one KCM worker on contributes 8 tonnes of copper produced annually. This is, way below the industry average, and regardless how profitable, the mines are operating at present( which they are), a company,that is answerable to shareholders, strive for maximum returns,and continous improvement in operations. modern mining techniques call for automation, rather than labor intesive production….so get on the with the times….Instead of making noise, those retrenched should go back to school, and adopt….
Andrew Chibuye
November 6, 2013 at 10:08 am
Its only that our KCM is being managed by wrong people. Indians are not good at mining other than shop managers. If give to the rite people, this issue might have not been the case. The best way is to let these guys leave the mines soon as possible so that those coming can maintain the workers and not the 3 years process i heard. They can go ahead with laying off the 1, 500 workers, but the first culprits must be Indians who have come to take up Zambian jobs.South Africa, at one gave priorities to South Africans.
civiv citizen
November 6, 2013 at 10:11 am
@wiseman, name one investor who is willing to take up a mine with a life expectancy of less than 5 years, and all risks involved from governments inconsitencies on mining policy to, flactuating and uncertain international commodity prices? do not be fooled, there aint that many mining companies in the world…i can count them on one hand…. the major mining houses….and trust me, most will never invest their hard earned money, in a country where the govt is yet to make up their minds…are they capitalists or “comrades” , like my good friend Miles Sampa, is fond of saying nowadays!!!
id!ot!
November 6, 2013 at 4:30 pm
who lied to you about the life span? Ukutemwa ifyakumfwila!
kolekapapye
November 6, 2013 at 10:16 am
The president is very right.Magande totaly wrong
scorpion
November 6, 2013 at 10:40 am
listen all magande suppoters,i thot magande was wise enough 2rule the country n protect the intrests of the pipo at all cost,now i no who magande is n wat is capable of doing,with him pipo can die,he doesent undastand wat it mins 2lay off 1500men n there family.mr magande just shut up n watch wat sata is doing.
aspiring candidate
November 6, 2013 at 11:01 am
i realy like this man becouse he is a thinker and knows exactly wat he is saying..and you condeming and insulting magande you are a shock to me..even ushasambilila can understand this simple isue..how can you have aload of people doing the same job as the machines you acquired to cut on costs??i dnt blame kcm but myself for voting in this chimbwi no plan (cnp)president,,,he thot to run a country is just talking forgeting that there is thinking required there..lelo lelo cant wait for 2016..think of something better to help than you giving lifeless threats…elo mube very carefull pantu ilyashi ili mwene mushi ngaaumfwa mulepusana ububi sana
Maiko
November 6, 2013 at 11:26 am
Good Statement coming from a Technocrat but not from someone aspiring to become President. As President to be you should protect your people. No wonder MMD was so unpopular on the Copperbelt because they always sided with the Mine Owners!!
Comfort
November 6, 2013 at 11:28 am
The facts are clear-THERE IS NO MO NEED FOR MANUAL LABOUR.why insult a learned man over straight foward thngs.why kip workers were machines ar able to work mo effectivly n efficiently?wat do u want them to be doin?sleepn all day? da problem wit ZAMBIAN MEN is they ar too lazy,insted of now thinkn of bein self employd,startn up busneses,hirin othas,bein heads of their homes wit integrity.they want to kip workn for othas nd are content wit da fewbeers they ar able to buy evryday
Zambians & Business
November 6, 2013 at 11:49 am
1+1 has always been =2, unless otherwise one is thinking in terms of a “psycho” .
A Business is set up for one Major reason ..PROFIT !! & not for the seek of SOCIAL WELFARE.
MAGANDE has been there & u dull illiterate chaps are busy insulting him.
Ever heard of the PESTEL/PEST analysis ??
Go study that & u id*ots will learn why careless utterances by the government are not good for the Economy.
Make policies that will help economical growth than just politicking Blindly.
#Not saying the Indians are 100% right but the government have to do a Financial Audit & then Dialogue with the Investors in a Mutual way.
Abaswango
November 6, 2013 at 12:40 pm
You fool, ulikabwa sana iwe. So you would just let the so called investors tap into your resources without you getting a benefit in return? Therez always a cost to doing business, and a mine is not like a family shop. Besides what kind of mechanization are these good for nothing investors doing? Come to the mines and see whats going on instead of just opening your stinking mouth here.
atishani
November 6, 2013 at 2:11 pm
i work in a reputable manufacturing firm and running my own thing, i understand you man, companies are there to make profits and not satisfy the people but in this case,this were the government comes in which its main interest is to serve people…..
Sobongo
November 6, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Ma Rubiish Ba Magande! I work here and am well vested in Mining and Metallurgy with over 18 years of experience plus 5 years at University. What mechanization is Kumar talking about? Let him expand to your small brains, maybe you will see.
Mushkarano...
November 6, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Magande U ‘re a BIG Fool…..Am sure nimwebo mwalelyamo mu KCM..
CCC
November 6, 2013 at 12:09 pm
eesh, this magande chap is so dull, why do they even comment without data. Does he even know that the Indians can’t even buy machinery so that mechanization is so lame an excuse coz it is not true.sh@#t!!! let the indians go home and manage their own small shops mining is not for abakaso!!!!
Emmanuel Mbao
November 6, 2013 at 12:26 pm
We have so many academicians nowadays, the reasons we cant develop. We are also very proud that we are the only ones who can deliver as the result of this, we cling to power. If we are genuine and we mean well for this country, let that person in that position reason for the betterment of the country.
Gregory Mankiw
November 6, 2013 at 12:55 pm
people,wud u employ sam1 2 wash yo clothes if u hav a washing machine ???
En 1 major economic theory of duin business is to maximise profits en reduce the cost of production.
en learn to be entrepreneurs who hav a saying tht “each tym u go 4 work expect to be fired” coz ths wil encourage u 2 be innovative en do yo own business.
If u think az if yo current job is yo life change tht atitude or u wil suffer th day u wil be retrenched
Chakuti Chake !!
November 6, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Lets think this way : I run a Ka shop and have employed 10 [ labourers ] workers to be loading my sold goods [ items ] into the clients trucks , so you guys , can’t i buy a LOADER with one driver to DO the LOADING in preference to 10 workers [ labourers ] to cut costs ? am in business to make money and is every one in business …
Messages Queen
November 6, 2013 at 1:30 pm
THE PROBLEM IS THESE PEOPLE COMMENTING & SUPPORTING KCM HAVE NOT INFORMATION OF WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING AT THIS MINE.
THERE IS NO ANY MECHANISED MINING THAT KCM IS DOING & NEITHER HAVE THEY BOUGHT ANY EQUIPMENT FOR MECHANISED MINING.
THE REASONS GIVEN BY THE CEO & WHAT THESE OPPOSING ARE BASING ON A TOTALLY DIFFERENT. HOW WILL IT START MECHANISED MINING WHEN ITS PLANNING TO SHUT DOWN THE MINES?
REAL MINER
November 6, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Mechanised Mining? Where? not at Nchanga. It is puerly converntional mining, meaning it is man labour intensified. What these Indians are aiming at is to reduce KCM labour and then concentrate on casuals so that they reduce on wage bills, leave days bills, hospital costs, bonuses if any, pension contributions and other costs directly with KCM labour. Not the other crap they are feeding the nation. Iddiotts.
Abaswango
November 6, 2013 at 2:16 pm
Let the fools supporting KCM be guided by this…
Comfort
November 6, 2013 at 2:51 pm
yea bt even if its true dat da mines havnt bot da machines nd are fabricatin things-surely u canot force them to kip u employd they hav legal right to hire nd fire.bashimaini shud be happy abt havnt an oppotunity to use their savings now for evn mo productiv projects bt da problm z they neva savd for ths rainy day nd now all they can do is curse-damnd chaps.
Trixy
November 6, 2013 at 3:35 pm
Magande is a credible man. Ive come to give this man a lot of respect when it comes to issues of Finance. Ofcourse I am not happy with KCM’s intentions of laying of 1,500 workers at a go. In this instance I agree with Andrew Chibuye when he said if it has to lay off workers for the sake of making profit, then let them start with the Indians and southafricans and all other foreigners before it touches a Zambian. I think this is a fair game.
Isaac
November 7, 2013 at 9:49 am
Laying off workers for the sake of making profit here in our land? You might be out of senses. Pipo should be layed off so that KCM should maximize their profits. Magande was against such things when he was in govt what has changed today?
kabanda yeshima
November 6, 2013 at 3:39 pm
There is very old technology at kcm.Ask them to sight what they have automated to take the place of 1500 workers.they are simply trying to close up plants in pretex of automising .let them convince the knowlageable zambians.if not they should just leave in peace.
icinshikululwa cakwa HH upEnd
November 6, 2013 at 5:05 pm
Magande, Rupia,Nevers and Hicilema; these pipo can sell our countrya, take care of them.
nshilimubemba
November 6, 2013 at 6:33 pm
Sorry mr. Magande, you cant sale your people so cheaply , why cant you advise that the mine be taken over by those who can run it properly , rather than only supporting foreigners to harm your people
chile1
November 6, 2013 at 7:32 pm
Kwena chi magande uli Nkumba sana mumano ayi,sure people’s lives r at stake and u r there sayin “its justified”? Y do u talk lyk a moron?its no wonder bakuchitile coup kuli) iwe,bkoz u think lyk a moron.i thot u were a man of integrity,little did I kno dat u r jus anotha retard
binyoz
November 6, 2013 at 8:42 pm
All thoz in support of magande hv not bin to CB.
MiG
November 6, 2013 at 9:47 pm
Zambia is in this state because of people like Magande! How do you expect a country to develop when you are not in control of your natural resources? Magande, always tried to please these foreign investor at the expense of the country by offering them tax free incentives which went beyond the norms of how other countries were offering.Zambia has not seen the benefits of the boom in the mining sector because of poor policies and agreements he signed with mining houses.Zambians are crying about electricity bills, while we offer the mines low tariffs and tax free incentives and they apply price transfers on finished products so that they pay little tax. KCM is changing excuses every few months because they have no direction, they reduce the number of Indians in the company! Zambian jobs first!
goldkas
November 6, 2013 at 10:16 pm
I ve wrked in the mines for 10 solid years nd i know all about mining.magande is ignorant about the happenings at kcm.there has never been a retrenchment of a thousand plus in the history of mining in zambia.mechanised mining does not mean replacing 1500 employees.we ve been doing mechanised mining at 3 shaft nd what we have seen id is that kcm bought cheap machinery which broke down prematurely. instead of replacing it, kcm has failed due to the fact that kcm has a lot of debts to many suppliers.the other thing is that kcm spent money on wrong projects like 4 shaft nf and the back fill plant which have not contributed to production . In short,vedantta has lamentably failed to run kcm.vendantta is running kcm on bollowed funds coz the huge debts.magande nf and all those supporting retrenchment should visit the open pits nd see how much activity is there.kcm has incurred huge debts coz the indians do not pay contractors nd suppliers.
Jiji Mulunka Kaingu
November 6, 2013 at 11:39 pm
Goldkas, before you raise your ignorance to the hight of shame, check your history of layoffs in Zambia and comeback and read what you have writen. Lets use facts when we speak.
Jiji Mulunka Kaingu
November 6, 2013 at 11:36 pm
Magande is right! Its not Sata’s place to make threats like that. He forgets that the world is watching him. Yes its not fair for job losses of that magnitude, but the way things are handled must be more professional. There are no economic strengths that Zambia can use to dare these companies….Fix policies and vision. Set standards, improve the system then make threats using the right channels!!!!
Mr Sata, please we support you but help us build confidence in your party and your role
test@e
November 7, 2013 at 7:10 am
Mr Frog! sorry Bo Frog
oneil
November 7, 2013 at 8:11 am
Mr was under the government that sucked KCM of all the money and I am not surprised hearing such nonsense from him…
oneil
November 7, 2013 at 8:12 am
Mr Magande was under the government that sucked KCM of all the money and I am not surprised hearing such nonsense from him…and he was minister of finance??
Chaona
November 7, 2013 at 8:19 am
No wonder Magande never helped us on the area of PAYE when he was finance minister, what matters to him is not the people but the system.
It was good riddance ‘anointing’ of Mwanawasa on him never worked though the Post tried hard to throw him down our throat.
Simaata Simaata
November 7, 2013 at 8:26 am
Mupuba.
DEMON!!!!!
November 7, 2013 at 8:31 am
Magande we need food on the table and i thought ypu were going to say get rid of those who get more money to pay at least 60 people!!!!!!!!
pompwe
November 7, 2013 at 9:09 am
pafwaka….
brainboxer
November 7, 2013 at 9:57 am
All of you making silly blog comments on this issue are dull ****** idiots.Which school u went to; at least u must know now that copper is a wasting asset.That mine is finishing.If the govt thinks can find an investor.Investors are not like your dunderhead fathers.No investor can invest in a mine without coppper ores.This is grade 4 subject u f_ck fools.This country is run by dogs who reason by their tails.Withdraw the license and lose everything and no investor will come 2 an absolute mine.simple logic.
Isaac
November 7, 2013 at 11:19 am
Copper is indeed a wasting asset, but has it wasted for these Indians to behave the way the behave? Or have they told you that the reason they want to lay off 1529 workers at one time is because there is no copper in the ground? Brainboxer,you’re the one who is dull failing to understand simple basic economics so shut up your proboscis.
id!ot!
November 7, 2013 at 12:56 pm
You know what brain whatever, by the time i finished reading your blog, I cringed! You have really exposed your id!ocy!…has the copper finished you dullard? I guess you are the biggest dog!…your damn indian relatives know the ore is tsill there iwe mumbwee!
Kunda Amon
November 7, 2013 at 10:12 am
Mr Magande, Go to the open pit or the recently closed East mill crusher at Nchanga Mine then you can open that wide unbrushed mouth of yours with dropping Saliva before before you talk,
I have worked with Mr Temba for many years and the life span of this open pit was never mentioned because Anglo was running it,
I am based in Mali and left these indians making billions of profits on our copper and cobalt and failing to buy equipment even a pump for a Honda Ba fikala,
So for one Mr Magande to open his large mouth as though he has ever worked at 27/20 level or has ever stayed muma SQ,really makes me wonder how it feels ukulalalila Kampompo,
You see Mr Magande, visit the miners at KCM,#3 shaft in Chililabombwe and see for yourself then you will support the idea that these Indians should go,
Anglo is just in South Africa and is waiting to come back, does it click in you that Lubambe mine or konnocco, Kansanshi or Lumwana run by whites are never concerned or make noise with Government as much as kcm?
But an indian that does not use toilet paper when shiting is the one you want to give a big mine like KCM to run, see how how beautiful ladies at corporate offices have darkened because of no make up due to poor salaries, Niwe ukabopa?
brighton
November 7, 2013 at 11:04 am
If kurmar thinks retrenching 1500 let him start with da indians so that the little that is left be left to da zambians