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Nevers Mumba Says TB Joshua Doesn’t Have To Prophesy If He Will Be President Or Not
Early this week, opposition MMD leader Pastor (Dr) Nevers Mumba who is also the founder and President of Victory Bible Church and Victory Ministries International took time to answer questions directed at him through Facebook by both members of the public and the media. Below are the questions and answers to some of the questions (of religious nature).
Q: During an interview with Frank Mutubila in the 90s, you said that getting into politics would be a demotion? What has changed since then?
A:I still believe that serving the Lord is the highest calling. That is why I am still serving the Lord up to today. I did not substitute my faith for politics. I just added an extra responsibility to my faith. I was much younger then and had limited information and understanding at that time. I have since grown to find out that I can do more things through Christ who gives me strength.
As we grow and receive more information, we change our minds and positions on many matters. This is the blessing of growth and maturity. If at 54, you still hold onto all the beliefs you had at 17, then you are stunted and have not grown. There is nothing wrong with realising that some pronouncements made in the past were made with incomplete understanding.
Q:Why did you abandon the church? Politics is dirty and not for you. Was it God who called you into politics?
A:I am first a Christian, then a Pastor and Politician. I did not substitute my Christian faith for politics. I just accepted an additional responsibility to public service – Politics. The same God who called me to be a minister of the Gospel, called me to influence politics by participation. I have served God for 37 years and know his voice. If the call to politics was not from God, I would have been the first person to stay away.
My life’s commitment is to do God’s will. A moral and just Zambia is God’s will and defines my assignment to government. When I began to promote the slogan “Zambia Shall Be Saved”, I thought it was only in spiritual matters. Over time, God has progressively revealed to me that the plans he has for the salvation of Zambia are much more than just spiritual. It also encompasses material things which are determined by the politics of the land.
I am still leader of our 52 churches in Zambia and abroad and I preach almost every Sunday both at home and outside. The cliché, “You have abandoned church for politics” was coined by our opponents to mud-sling me and create a negative attitude towards me among the electorate. They have never asked Reverend Danny Pule who heads a political party but still runs Dunamis Ministries to go back to the pulpit.
Nor have they done the same for Father Frank Bwalya, Reverend Gladys Nyirongo or Reverend Ronnie Shikapwasha. It seems they have one set of rules for Nevers Mumba and another for other church leaders which is double standards. They have twisted what the Bible says to confuse people and also dishonestly perpetuated the myth that I am a failure. How can a failure manage to set up 52 churches from scratch in and outside Zambia, when even managing just one is very difficult?
There is nowhere in the Bible where it says that a religious leader cannot serve as a community or political leader. To the contrary, the Bible suggests that believers in God holding political office can bring prosperity and justice to nations. Scripture says in Proverbs 29:2 that “When the righteous rule, people rejoice, and when the unrighteousness rule, people mourn.” The Bible is full of stories of godly leaders like Moses, Joseph, Joshua, Daniel, David and others leading nations in a political capacity on behalf of God.
Joseph was the Prime Minister of the idolatrous nation of Egypt and he single-handedly saved all the people from starvation due to his God-given wisdom and prudent management of the national
crop yields. Daniel also served as a high-ranking politician in Babylon with his friends Shadrack, Misheck and Abednego.
In the Third Century, the Roman Emperor Constantine embraced Christianity and stopped the brutal persecution of Christians by his predecessors. He appointed many Christians into positions of authority, financially supported the Church and was instrumental in creating the modern Bible. He also organised the first Christian Council to establish and codify modern foundational church doctrine and he reformed many Roman laws in line with Christianity, for example abolishing crucifixion. This is a prime example of what happens when believers take the mantle of political leadership.
I have not abandoned the church. I am involved in politics because my faith in God demands it of me. Politics will never be clean until men and women with the fear of God get involved. Zambians should prefer to be governed by people with the fear of God in their hearts, rather than corrupt thieving politicians.
Q:Why don’t you return to the pulpit? Why did you get into Politics?
A:I have been called by God to be an Evangelist. An Evangelist is a bearer of good news – the Gospel. His responsibility is to identify people and communities living in “spiritual darkness” and bring the light of the Gospel. Matthew 5:13-14 says, we are the salt and light of the World. My job as an Evangelist is to find the most ungodly sections of our society and bring light to those dark spots; areas where sin abounds; areas where injustice abounds. Politics is such an area, and is notably called, the “dirty game of politics.”
I have held Gospel crusades in the most dangerous, ungodly areas around the world. I became the first African Evangelist to hold a crusade in the heart of Soweto, South Africa just before independence when no evangelist wanted to risk their lives in 1994. I held a crusade in Bulgaria at a time that country was experiencing great instability. I took a group of Zambian Christians to Israel and preached in Tel Aviv during a war. I did all this because I am an Evangelist. My call is to dark and dangerous areas. My call is to take light where there is darkness. In Zambia, there is no darker place than politics. If Christians don’t go there, who qualifies to go there?
My assignment from God today is to bring light to Zambian politics. The battle against Christians in this sector will continue to be vicious because the land is occupied by the ungodly. I have never left the pulpit, except that I have taken the pulpit to the political world as an Evangelist.
Q:Are you a preacher or politician? The Bembas say “cimbwi afwile intanganana” [the hyena died because of divided interests] and the Bible says you cannot serve two masters.
A:I am both. Preaching and being a political leader of people are not two masters but two roles. Human beings are made to do more than one role. Husband and father; teacher and preacher; wife and secretary. The Bible summarizes it in Philippians 4:13 by saying, “I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me”. The two roles are not exclusive to each other. Doing one does not prevent the other.
I would like to challenge all those who say I cannot be both in politics and the church to give genuine Christian reasons why, and not the old worn out argument of me not being able to serve two masters at the same time. They should explain how they are able to have a full-time job while serving in their churches as elders, deacons or in some other capacity.
Q:When will you meet TB Joshua to speak into your life concerning your Presidential ambitions?
A:I respect all men of God including brother TB Joshua. I am not experimenting about my political involvement, neither am I looking for someone to confirm whether I should be in politics or not. This was done before getting into politics. I had several weeks of prayer and fasting and also sought the wisdom of a lot of ministers of the Gospel. I know I am in God’s perfect will in this journey.
Q:What is God telling you about Zambia’s political landscape?
A;The Political landscape must change. We must move from the current immoral politics to politics of morality and integrity. We need to change the players.
Q:You keep leaving organizations like the church, the National Citizen’s Coalition, Reform Party, etc. How can you be trusted?
I left Chinsali at 14, moved to Livingstone for Secondary school, moved to Kitwe for College at 18 and finally moved to Lusaka at 41 for my political involvement. Your question suggests that I can only be trusted if I lived my whole life in Chinsali. The question also suggests that only those who have never changed jobs or clubs can be trusted. Please remember that life is a journey.
I however wish to correct you on the Church. I was born into a United Church of Zambia family and grew up in that church like all my brothers and sisters. When I personally gave my life to Christ at age 17, I joined the Pentecostal Assemblies of God until 1980 when I pioneered what is now Victory Ministries International. I remain the leader of this church organization to date. I have never left church.
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Judge Joe Bidden
September 25, 2014 at 4:52 pm
Sometimes I wonder why would someone go and vote for Nevers Mumba, this is one chap who has disappointed God and such a quitter. So let him talk about TB Joshua and face his own demons.
Actually what i am saying about being a quitter someone else also mentioned it i just found it,
“…You keep leaving organizations like the church, the National Citizen’s Coalition, Reform Party, etc. How can you be trusted…”
I have known this man since I was a staunch Born Again (not now years back a churchmate phucked my christian gal, I lost trust!) he never keeps anything for long. Hes a waste of votes.
Sir Nyanbe
September 25, 2014 at 4:54 pm
Those pipo who mean well,I hope they have undestood what Dr Mumba has explained.Only those who have deliberately taken a partisan position against this man of God.Anyway God shall fight your battles.The battle is the Lord’s.
chichi
September 25, 2014 at 6:53 pm
nevers mumba is an ! d io t who has disapointed God,even those who follow him are ! d io ts too,
shame on you
September 27, 2014 at 6:28 pm
look who’s talking?….. and yet you have been promoted as the bus driver for a different kind of idiots..
Peter Ching'ambo
September 25, 2014 at 10:50 pm
I like the answer by Dr Mumba concerning what he said many years ago. You see we go to school and keep studying all our lives because we want to change for the better. Foolishness is going to school or studying without expecting to change anything about your life at the end of your study. A wise man learns something new and changes his approach even if he is attempting to overcome the same challenge over and over again.
syms
September 25, 2014 at 11:04 pm
Tone down Nevers is needed in our political landscape, see pf is workin coz people like Nevers are providing checks and balance.
popcorn kk
September 26, 2014 at 8:43 am
Am impressed with the mature response to the questions. Though Ba Nevers you should have stayed in PF when you had that chance lelo you could have been the secretary general of the party, after all its a better position than being president of a defunct party like MMD.
sweet sound
September 26, 2014 at 9:11 am
The popular maxim that says “Like father like son” applies to TB Joshua and his now discredited ministry. We can rightfully say “Like building like pastor”. The recent tragic incident at T B Joshua’s church in Lagos signals the slow and gradual crumbling of a mega charlatanic ministry being spearheaded by one of the most notorious evangelical con artists Nigeria has ever known.
T B Joshua has since the nineties mined the gullibility and nincompoopery of Africans using tricks, forged and fraudulent miracles cure claims and prophecies. But it took just a little architectural oversight to expose the schemes and pretensions of this charlatan.
Like his building, prophet TB Joshua is a ‘structure’ waiting to collapse, in fact Joshua’s ministry has starting collapsing.. Like his church building, Joshua’s ministry is founded on a flimsy and fraudulent foundation that cannot withstand the pressure of test and the weight of evidence. But we do not need this scale of tragedy to wake Africans up and put this impostor out of business.
I just wish that many of those who lost their lives had listened to the voice of reason and stayed away from the rickety wobbling evangelical enterprise called the Synagogue in Lagos, Nigeria. I wish the dead had ignored the tele evangelical theatric of TB Joshua on his Immanuel TV and stayed back in their countries and communities. They would have been alive today. Gullibility sucks. In fact gullibility kills particularly at the Synagogue in Lagos.
People can be gullible onto death. And those who are gullible should not suffer collapse and death alone, the ministry of those who feed on this destructive virus should suffer the same fate too. So, T B Joshua’s Synagogue and its Satellite affiliate, the Immanuel TV, it is now your turn to collapse and die.
Chansa Albert
September 26, 2014 at 6:26 pm
Is is true? are u sure?
shame on you
September 27, 2014 at 6:30 pm
shame on you, you will answer for ALL these idle words…
Queen of Romance
September 26, 2014 at 9:21 am
I know that Nevers Mumba is NOT perfect, but one thing I know is that he is much closer to Heaven than TB Joshua. TB Joshua is a SANGOMA on the PULPIT.
7 days ultimatum to arrest and prosecute TB Joshua
September 26, 2014 at 9:26 am
Yes everyone including ka chiluba who believed and believes tb joshua is a prophet are nincompoops!!
mm
September 26, 2014 at 1:05 pm
Dr. Nevers Mumba,God is with you.I love the way you conduct yourself and defiantly God is working on you to prepare to be the best President.
It may not be 2016, but in less a decade, you will diffidently get there.
katongo nsambe
September 26, 2014 at 1:30 pm
Dr Mumba, I have been one of your biggest critics until to my utter shock you have managed to ascend to the position of President of MMD.
I have stopped criticising AS I MAY BE FIGHTING GOD HIMSELF. I now just watch and have started paying attention to you. You have managed to triumph over so much opposition, I believe that God Himself is propelling you to even the very Presidency of Zambia. Takwaba!!! Only God would have had you succeed against vicious Dora Siliya, Kachingwe. The final showdown is how RB is going to come tumbling down and then we will all watch the unthinkable, YOU TAKING OATH OF OFFICE AS THE SIXTH PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF ZAMBIA. I salute you Man of God.
club zero
September 26, 2014 at 1:48 pm
Find something useful ba mumba.zambia shu b saved.next zambia for sale
humphrey
September 26, 2014 at 2:30 pm
NEVERS MUMBA RESPONDED TO QUESTIONS VERY WELL BUT HAS FAILED TO PRACTICE WHAT HE ANSWERED. NO ONE SAYS NEVERS CAN’T BE IN POLITICS AND AT THE SAY TIME REMAIN A PASTOR BUT THE WAY HE DOES THINGS IN THE POLITICAL WORLD IS VERY STRANGE. TB JOSHUA, TD JAKES, MYLES MUNROE AND OTHERS HAVE REMAINED IN THE PULPIT AND THEY CONTINUE TO INFLUENCE A LOT OF WORLD LEADERS AND BUSINESS PEOPLE. AND THIS MEN OF GOD ARE BUILDING A GENERATION OF PEOPLE THAT WILL TRANSFORM OUR POLITICS. SO FOR NEVERS TO SAY HE WANT TO CHANGE THE RUNNING OF POLITICS IN THIS COUNTRY HE IS FOOLING HIMSELF AND THOSE WHO DOES NOT KNOW HIM WELL.AND WHEN TALKS OF 52 CHURCHES, WHERE ARE THOSE CHURCHES IN THIS COUNTRY AND HOW MANY MEMBER DO THEY HAVE?
pac
September 26, 2014 at 2:50 pm
Most of the thieves know the bibble so much.First shipwe mu part coffer,u will see him forming another part.shipwe shipwe type of a politician namailo shikamoneka.God’s words are now passing “false prphets will come in my name”.Nevers cant be president of zambia but for defunct political parties like mmd.
kabamba chris
September 26, 2014 at 3:12 pm
mr mumba u should be ashamed of yourself,coz right now u are looking for a polical job,however,God has offered u a nice job to do just look behind u will see it
LORD VOLDEMORT (THE DARK LORD)
September 26, 2014 at 5:54 pm
Ah ah, what are you scared of? Are you scared he will say that you will never ascend to office?
wachabe
September 27, 2014 at 6:25 pm
I only have one comment…nice!…Good work, Pastor…lol…can you remember who calls you “Pastor”….and you can imagine taht such simplicity even eludes so called wise people. surely we are called to confound the wise
Matts Matente
September 27, 2014 at 10:23 pm
Nevers Mumba Keep It Up We Need Serious Men Like U To Be In The Top Office Of The Land. Satan Has Now Manifested And Using Some Of The Leaders To Bring Heatred Among Themselves,had Hearts To Understand Advise .cheating The Poor And Puting Their Intrests First.God Sometimes Giue You Want For The Purpose So That U Can Bleam Yourself.zambia Is A Christian Country And We Need God Fear Men, Youths& Women .no Time Wasting We Need Serious Developmet.because Our Country Is Blessed With Abandant Natural Resourses.doctor Mumba U Have A Rich History both Human& Spirtually .never Be Discaurged With Bad Coments U Are Holding A Mantle Of Saving,change,loue,development&putingall Zambians Together.