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“TRANSLATE Barotseland Agreement Into LOZI So That The People Of WESTERN Province UNDERSTAND”
Foundation for Democratic Process (FODEP) has advised government to consider translating the Barotseland agreement of 1964 into lozi for the people of western province to fully understand its contents.
FODEP executive Director McDonald Chipenzi tells QFM radio that the government should also indicate the motive behind the publication of the Document.
Mr. Chipenzi says it is commendable to see how the government has remained committed to fulfilling its campaign promise of trying to resolve the Barotseland issue despite not having restored the agreement in the first 90 days of its rule as earlier promised.
He has since called on the PF government to remain committed to resolving the matter in the best interest of all the parties involved.
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Chinyopilo
January 18, 2012 at 12:23 pm
I thought Lozis are the most educated folk in Zambia. Ati even in villages you find old people who can speak fluent english. Anyway that aside, this document is for all Zambians especially those in WP so translate it not only into Lozi but Nkoya, Luvale, Mbunda, Kaonde, Tonga, Luchazi, Lamba etc, etc….
KATWISHI
January 18, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Please help me are the Lozi’s not the Ones who Claim they wanted to have the BA64 Implemented meaning the are aware of the contents hence you need not translate. its a waste of money. its a pity i cant see any secession in this document so i dont know what pipo are crying for which the dont already have.
Nuetral
January 18, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Am waitng
nakferd
January 18, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Why has this fodep become so pronounced in this era of errors? you see,the more you become more vocal about it the more you alarm the claim for it by more lozis.iam piced off with this issue now.
Mr. Bob
January 18, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Please enough is enough of our lozi brothers and sisters. Are they the only people in wp? Ba fodep mwitumpikabantu.
Bulozinahayaluna
January 18, 2012 at 1:19 pm
It should be noted that the publication of the barotseland agreement by GRZ in itself is not a solution, though an amicable step into solving the problem.
And the solution to this problem is to restore the agreement in the zambian constitution, thereby giving back the authority of the Litunga and His Government to effective manage Barotseland, as agreed in that agreement.
The central Government also must be allowed to do its part.
however until that is done, its business as usual.
The Litunga is still striped of his powers and held captive to a semi house arrest in lealui or Limulunga ion and it is still outlawed by GRZ.
GRZ even denies the statehood of Barotseland and continue to call it western province.
So what we are saying is that the published barotseland agreement is of no effect and is a documented which is illegal in Zambia. No quotations from it can make anything better or legalise anything
It is not supported by any law, any lesgalatWe do not think Mr Milupi opposed the Publication of the Barotseland agreement. Actually this is the most wonderful thing any GRZ has done since our OLD Man KK abrogated that agreement in 1969.
Therefore, if we want that agreement to be valid, we must restore it, to the zambian Constitution.
Only then, should we even start talking about it in the way that people are doing.
At the moment Barotseland agreement is illegal unless it is in the Republican constitution.
What is being done, is just a tickling of our emotions( KUTINYAULA CHABE)
Every Government has feared even its mention. Now, the people of Zambia have the opportunity to know the truth, that is if that document that is being published, is the original one.
And that is the general view of all of us from Barotseland. the publication will bring massive excitement in Barotseland from Villages, katengons, lilalos, likilitis and all the Barotse tires of Life.
It will awaken the youth’s motivation to fight further! it will also show that Barotseland is indeed surendered its sovereignty and united to form Zambia. Barotseland is not a mere province as President Sata tried to make us believe.
Barotseland is retained its local Governing authority!
Ms Sipula Hibajene
Madony
January 18, 2012 at 1:22 pm
if thy cnt understnd or read in english thn thy cnt read in lozy as wel coz th readin concempt is th same th bestthin thy cn do is 2 find thm a translator n spare tax-payers money
Miranda
January 18, 2012 at 1:47 pm
ALSO TRANSLATE INTO KOLWE SO THAT THE PIPO OF KOLWESTAN CAN UNDERSTAND.
Wemfula Isa Isa
January 18, 2012 at 2:02 pm
So our Lozi brothers are fighting and dying oves something they don’t even understand. What waste off precious life!
El Nino
January 18, 2012 at 2:09 pm
@Chinyopilo,I cudn’t help but notice your stupidity,who says every LOZI person has been to school.Do you know that even in civilised societies.Illiteracy is still there.
Nkoya warrior
January 18, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Bo Sipula Hibajane,
what is so special about your Litunga pulizi! Do you want a monarchy honestly which will obviously be a dictatorship? Go ahead but limit your monarchy to Mongu and Senanga. Forget about your percieved boundaries or else you will swim in your blood, you selfish quacks.
Impwitikiti
January 18, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Foolish Galatians.
John Zemba
January 18, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Mina bo Nkoya wa masipa. haeba amuzibi lika molinezi mwai kuzeza feela kufita kuyabutuka za bukuba. Learn to have respect. Usanganu!
Chinyopilo
January 18, 2012 at 2:41 pm
@ El Nino,
I don’t normally respond to idiots like you but this time I am compelled to pump some sense in that empty head of yours. The thrust of my comment is on the issue of translating your BA64 document into other languages and not just lozi. Think hard before you place those paws on your keyboard, fool.
Zilete
January 18, 2012 at 2:48 pm
I am lozi but this so called BA64 still looks quite foolish to me. For decades on end, when KK used to say “One Zambia”? All thoz who claim to be of the BA64 boundary would answer with one voice: “ONE NATION”!!!!! Now wat nonsense is this? BA64 my a$$!
First lady
January 18, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Don’t wast our money,if they cant understand in english then what are they busy fighting for.what’s so special about them?they are indeed selfish.what will happen to the other tribes in W/P?
Jafy
January 18, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Mapenzi should realize that translation will cost money. I hope he he is not thinking of tax-payers footing the bill. I suggest that crazy Lozi secessionist translate it themselves.
kaswili wandale
January 18, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Still on education. Please enlighten me as to which protectorate the Barotseland was and what were the contents of whatever agreement that was there before the BA64. BY THE WAY WAS THER ANYBODY OF THE SIGNATORIES TO THE BA64 THAT WAS FORCED TO SIGN TO MAKE THE DOCUMENT NOW NULL AND VOID?
k
January 18, 2012 at 3:14 pm
wena ka nkoya warrior masipa a hao hape hauna ngana.wait
El Nino
January 18, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Nkoya warrior,ukaca pasipa yaka njatuwe wena.Maleta yahayo.
Truth
January 18, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Translate it to bemba,looks lyk the coconut head and the kolwestans do nt understand it.
mwine mushi
January 18, 2012 at 4:24 pm
BA64 is very simple the central government with house in lusaka will control one zambia one nation the litunga then mwanawina lewanika the third (hopefully he is not chanda chimba the third)signed and consented to have barotseland and n/rhodesia became one zambia one nation because it was cheaper administratively that way…………..thinking
what was the root cause jjeeessuss!!!
Kalok
January 18, 2012 at 4:25 pm
@Truth, the Bembas do not wish to secede. Uupamfiwe, e ulwa ne cibi. A lozi friend of mine after reading the agreement that has been circulating remarked that he couldn’t see the secession or ‘nationalist’ stance in the document…
El Nino
January 18, 2012 at 4:25 pm
@Chinyopilo
Your name says alot.I now see that fools have outnumbered us.
mwine mushi
January 18, 2012 at 4:29 pm
BA64 is very simple the central government with house in lusaka will control one zambia one nation the litunga then mwanawina lewanika the third (hopefully he is not chanda chimba the third)signed and consented to have barotseland and n/rhodesia became one zambia one nation because it was cheaper administratively that way…………..thinking
what was the root cause jjeeessuss!!
Manclevido
January 18, 2012 at 4:35 pm
People this request is because the Lozi’s are so dumb to understand the contents in the English language. If they want to be independent let them first get the land in Angola, Namibia, Botswana and Zimbabwe as it will be easy for them to come back to Zambian land. If they fail to get land outside Zambia then they should Go to Hell. Moreover the Agreement was made to unite and not to divide Mother Zambia.Wake Up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mwansa kapeya on tuesday
January 18, 2012 at 5:05 pm
viva lozis, get what is due to you. why are you guys scared about the Ba64
MP
January 18, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Nkoya u re very ****** ,haiba hauzibi lika wakuza fela nja tuwe shaa
nshilimubemba
January 18, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Why not just name the whole zambia as barotsland i think this will help matters
shaaa!!!!!!!
January 18, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Why are these Lozis fools every time. Is it because u are naturally poor so trying to disturb our country! Muzakanyela pa bantu. This time we will sent commandos to come and slap you dandaheads. HEMCS is just quiet because he is new in gvt. Just wait and see. Mind you he is a man of ACTION. Tuka miponona.
El Nino
January 18, 2012 at 5:59 pm
@Shaa
This forum is not for misinformed and clueless idiots like you.If u want to continue exposing your uncultured little brain.Go to kachepa360.LUWAWA TUWE!!!
edgar kashenda
January 18, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Whilst the idea to publish the document is a good one, I do agree with Mr. Chipenzi that the government should go a step further by declaring it’s motive of publishing the document.
Maritime
January 18, 2012 at 7:11 pm
It amazes me to see how everyone wants to be in the forefront of commenting on things in which they have shallow, scanty or no outright technical knowledge to warranty and support their opinions. Please fellow Zambians, if u are a fisherman, don’t comment when pilots ar discussing. Lest u manifest yo ignorance and shame yo community and relatives.
Its wise to comment appropriately and with adequate prior knowledge! After all, everyone always has an opinion but common sense says we should at reserve our comments wen the situation is not befitting.
Be wise and leave technocrats and relevant people to comment and discuss while you sit back and listen.
CRAZY SOLDIER.
January 18, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Nkoyas in wp for your imfomation you asked for land to squart on from our king,and now you are insulting us i dont blame you because you’ve overstayed,am itching for a ka land dispute in kaoma so that we see what hapens. lukamipwacha malete just wait.
CRAZY SOLDIER.
January 18, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Am not for the idea but we deserve respect from all you fools who are insulting us anyhow.
Zadok
January 18, 2012 at 7:21 pm
It’s a pity that some of you just like making noise for nothing. There is nothing wrong translating that document in Lozi or any other language.
I have leaved in the rural area for so many years. I became my primary school there and before I read English, I knew how to read my native language. For those that were educated in Kaunda’s era, they knew how to read their native language before the so called FOOLISH English you claim to understand fully.
You can translate it into Greek if you want.Period!
An agreement is an agreement.
Maritime
January 18, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Dear Nkoyawarrior,
Now that u have chose to disclose yo tribal line, please stop misrepresenting, embarrassing, and making a fool out of yo tribe. We have great respect for all Zambians, but u’re choosing to be disrespected.
Come on, after all, you are only a Nkoya. Wat has yo tribe contributed to Zambia since independence? Guess Zambia coudn’t be any worse without people like u. U ar a daydreamer and yo comments can be voted the most tribalistic and foolish comments of the century since you have declared yo tribal line.
Not only have u shown that u ar dull, now u ar also clearly showing that u ar full of jealous and hatred for others. That is why u do not want people to at least claim what is rightfully theirs.
If u must be educated, enroll at any good night school, day care for orphans or community school in your area and become literate. Only then will u appreciate the need to research about what u want to comment on before you disgrace your parents and yo entire Nkoya pedigree!
boo
January 18, 2012 at 7:41 pm
I think pipo in lozi land have failed 2 understand de document hence they need 2 study it very carefully 2 appreciate its meaning
my rights 2 comment
January 18, 2012 at 8:07 pm
doz foolz wo a jus makin da frikin noiz dere get yo ass out of here,en 2 o da lozi u make noiz haz if BA’land z 4 yo only dnt 4get ass da tongaz u idiots.
Dr. Smash
January 18, 2012 at 8:18 pm
For real put that sh###t in there language. They seem nt to understand the mothafckin gists behind it.
GUN.
January 18, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Careful guys dont shit on the net, ask Rwanda about isues of tribes, there are more lozis in wp plz twapapata to you monkeys,rats and cows hide your shit too.
Senior Engineer RTD
January 18, 2012 at 10:08 pm
“As a Government we have decided to publish the Barotseland Agreement in order for the Zambian people to read and comprehend the contents of this document. The publication of this document will also enable the general populace to have wider comments over the same,” Mr Sata said. This is Mr. Sata’s motive. Whether you agree with this motive or not is another thing. I don’t find the document controversial. There is nowhere in the document where there is a provision for seceding from Zambia.
Wise youth
January 19, 2012 at 12:13 am
Since pf made gov this is the first time am agreeing with an opposition party. the document should be explained clearly for every one to understand.
Concerned
January 19, 2012 at 2:04 am
Wy is Dr.KK silent ova tha issue.since he signd t atlist he shud av sed sumthn
@GUN fak u mothafucka.y r u koln rthaz nems?if u aint gat nathin 2 post jst shut tha fak up assho!!hide yo shit aswel
walasa nafuti
January 19, 2012 at 6:07 am
FODEP ED is shallow minded. Why translate BA64 into Lozi only. It should be translated in all the 73 languages in Zambia. All Zambians are interested parties in this matter.
walasa nafuti
January 19, 2012 at 6:13 am
FODEP ED is shallow minded. Why translate BA64 into Lozi only. It should be translated in all the 73 languages in Zambia. All Zambians are interested parties in this matter. Watelela
mcck
January 19, 2012 at 8:16 am
i second wat manclevido z saying.the agrement was more on the uniting part than the now dividing part.and wat hapens to the land in neibouring countries.z it going to be one zambia two states
Dickens Wamundila
January 19, 2012 at 9:07 am
Please do not insul us. Most of Lozis went to school and fully understand english. Do not take us to be ignorant. If you have nothing to say, just keep out of this.
GUN.
January 19, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Concernen kanshi walintuka i didnt see,now let me tell you dog fyonse efyo walanda ni wiso waeba chi color.
BIEMBA
January 20, 2012 at 12:58 pm
If barotseland include copperbelt, southern pr,lusaka pr. Then it is the most developed part of the country. What do they mean when they barotseland is least Develop. We know you lozi wherever you are you fail to integrate with other tribes, look in namibia you doing same thing. Let me warn even if barotseland is restored we will be there will not allow tribe one show, lintunga will be overthrown although you want him now. As us for bemba our stay in copperbelt dated back time in memorial. Becouse barotse nosense is targeting to isolate bemba speaking tribes which is not fair in this modern world. Looke at false baroseland they only exclude northern provinces and easter province. That map is based on tribal boundary. Which is contrary to what is contain in lochner concession of 1890 which documented western boundary of baroseland to be western side kafue river, this make lusaka city, kabwe, ndola, luanshya, mufurila, half kitwe, half chingola, chilabombwe remain part of mult ethnic, democratic, prosperous zambia. We will remain focused as events anfold.