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3 CATHOLIC Bishops In, Pentecoastal Pastors SHUNNED ‘They Chewed Tax Payers And Were Part Of Defunct NCC’
THE inclusion of three catholic bishops and non inclusion of Pentecoastal pastors in the committee of experts in the constitution making process has raised alot of debate and dust amongst Zambians.
However, some concerened Zambians have justified the shunning of pentecoastal bishops saying they (Pentecoastal bishops) already disappointed Zambians and chewed tax payers money in the defunct National Constitution Conference.
Henry Zimba a concerned Zambian has said “So many of you, including some Pentecoastal bishops, have complained about the inclusion of, not one but three, Catholic Bishops on the Committee of experts to spearhead the constitution making process. You are asking why ‘other denominations’ are not included. The other denominations were part of the defunct NCC and are
represented by those who were part of the conference. What other new ideas or
Contributions are they going to bring on board that they didn’t in the NCC? For all I care they failed us in the NCC with some of them heavily and shamelessly siding with the MMD. I think it’s time to grow our
reasoning and analysis of national issues.”
Mr Zimba further said ; “They assisted in plundering the financial resources of this country through their participation in the NCC. What did some of them achieve by siding with the then government and behaving like carders? They shouldn’t even complain and point fingers at the president. We had president Chiluba and the so called Pentecostal bishops were darlings of state house-what did they achieve with their association with the president? We ended up having Third Term prophelies. The same happened with late President Mwanawasa and RB we ended up with bishops who sounded more of MMD cadres than spiritual leaders. Let them wrinkle however they want because their time of mediocrity is over”.
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ViVa PF
November 17, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Takwabakofye, umuntu lyonse pakupepesha alandafye pali “Kobili (tythe)” without outlining where and how it would be spent. Baanee!!!???
TKC
November 17, 2011 at 6:42 pm
Mune ici cinshinka… I agree with you. Mwandi ba Pente beena balicilamo. moneni ba IMAKANDo…
Dominic John
November 17, 2011 at 3:37 pm
LOOK AT BISHOP BANDA WHAT DID HE DO.SUPPORTED THE NCC JUST TO MUSUSE MONEY.
THE CATHOLIC CLERGY,ARE THE VOICE OF THE MARGINALIZED,POOR/VOICELESS/DISADVANTAGED…..
IN FACT THESE PASTORS WENT TO NCC AND MISUSED OUR MONEY WITH THEM(MMD)
WITHOUT THINKING ABOUT THE OUT CRIES/MASSIVE VOICES OF PEOPLE……THEY DON’T HAVE TO COMPLAIN THEY SHOWED THEIR TRUE CO LOURS OF FAILURE.THEY WILL REMAIN IN CUSTODY FOREVER.LET THE CATHOLICS WHO DIDN’T PARTICIPATE TO CONTROL THINGS.WE WANT A CONSTITUTION THAT WILL LAST.NOT FOR SATA MICHEAL/GEORGE KUNDA BUT FOR THE NATION.GOOD LUCK.
confuser eshu
November 17, 2011 at 4:02 pm
Confuser eshu the chief hacker…..you will be caught
Sparks Chimbwendembwende
November 17, 2011 at 4:06 pm
The Catholic Church has always been above partisan politics. The voice of the voiceless.
Mind You
November 17, 2011 at 4:15 pm
The Pentecostal bishops who participated in the NCC should be judged as individuals and NOT as ECZ. ECZ has done a lot for our nation. Mr. President do NOT allow the wicked draw a wedge between Catholics and Evangelicals. We have always co-existed for the mutual good of propagating the gospel of our Lord, Jesus Christ. LET ECZ be part of constitution making process; but exclude the bishops that participated in the NCC.
Mind You
November 17, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Excuse me i mean EFZ and not ECZ.
Mind You
November 17, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Mr. Henry Zimba you are wicked. The Lord have mercy on you. The Body of Christ has always been One (One Body). Who are you, wicked Zimba, to divide the Church of our Lord Jesus Christ? Repent!
Hams
November 17, 2011 at 4:26 pm
WHERE ARE TH METHODISTS, SDA, BAPTIST, JEHOVAH’S WITNESS MINISTERS IN THIS COMMITTEE. WHY ONLY CATHOLICS? WE NEED A SINCERE ANSWER OR MAYBE THIS IS ONE OF HIS MANY WRONG APPOINTMENTS…….
Dien
November 17, 2011 at 4:56 pm
iliko bad!
JOE Imakandu himself
November 17, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Sussane Matale one of the of the experts of the constitution making process is an African Methodist Episcopal Church reverand based in Lusaka.
ViVa PF
November 17, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Ba Hams; kindly do not judge yet, let the results show. Atleast the NCC can be judged now, not this committee as at now. Lets not have a mentality of those churches that judge the Catholic church to be unchristian, only God knows how futile the appointments are as at today. GOD bless you and Zambia. PEACE!
zambiana For Real
November 18, 2011 at 9:31 am
Ba Viva PF, While it true that we do not judge prematurely, it is also prudent that we do not repeat the mistakes of the past. The start gives a picture of what is to come. I strongly appeal to the President to be above board and forget what happenned and instead do what should have been done then! The committee must be INCLUSIVE and not EXCLUSIVE, otherwise the constitution will be termed a CATHOLIC one, and then to begin the process later! We cannot afford that as a nation!
THEWISE
November 17, 2011 at 5:12 pm
what we need is simply a small knowledgeable intellectuals to just synchronize the already researched ideas into a constitution,not a group of balanced money mongers to fatten their pockets again. plz pipo lets reason properly! what if the president only appointed 3 pipo, how was it going to be balanced? tel thoz pasters jst to lead their churches thats their job period!
Mike
November 17, 2011 at 5:16 pm
Other Christian bodies already contributed via the NCC. Catholics did not. Let them also contribute now. I see nothing wrong.
I do not trust these Pentes. They form fronts (bodies) whenever they hear there is money coming so that they can benefit. I remember how the so called indepent churchs something was formed. It was formed to counter the three mother bodies who were at that time not in agreement with the gvt of Chiluba. They spoke for Chiluba in exchange for BROWN Envelops.
The Pastor
November 17, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Catholic bishops are highly educated and came through a well discipled upbringing.
Many of the pentecostal pastors have no expertise or skill in any field. they are lost to relaity and only depend on revalations and so called prohetic dreams.they failed to read the mood of the people in the run up to elections, failed to counsel MMD of corruption and they advocated for the banning of innocent Universal church.
Now is the time to finish this hypocrisy because in the old days whenthere was only catholic, peoiple feared God and respected the church. not so today. we pray that the catholic bishops and madam suzanne mutale will not disspoint the people on the 50 plus 1, presidential running mate and the barotseland agreement. pentcostal pastors are too fragile to stand for thse issues
chako
November 17, 2011 at 6:37 pm
It seems people are just worried about legalizing homosexualitly?christianity is not the country being a christian nation but the heart of a person.remember salvation is personal its not based on any thing else in this world but between you and your God.
luchi boo!
November 17, 2011 at 6:51 pm
thoze bishops who attended the previous NCC were finally turned into MMD cadres shame..! especially that bishop who were always with kunda. ati nani ulya…bushe nanomba ni bishop ulya…? ulya ati northmead fimo fimo… awe mwandi.. lesa fye umwine ewaishiba ama bishop yamo, teti wishibe nefyo abantu baba convinced…
KAKOOKA
November 17, 2011 at 6:51 pm
The consititutional making process must be seen to be fully participative of all sections of the society then it is a negative indicator. The moment you have a segment of the society, in this case the Pentecostal Churches ( so called charismatic churches) feeling marginalised then it is a problem. Let the President give them a hearing. Of course the love of money by most of them distracts their objectivity and President Sata must fall prey to their tactics of changing the tune now that he is in office in exchange for brown envelops. Please keep them at BAY. Remember how they prayed against you becoming president in preference for RB. What has changed now ?
Sir Evol Akapondo
November 17, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Catholics are always speaks about the poor in this country,without catholic priest ngakatwishi muno zambia,let them[catholics]be in front and make the solid constitution which shall benefit all the human kind of this nation.Not abama tithe always they went there and chewed our money without constitution.Let them stay back twakana.
John Hamusooonda
November 17, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Why worry about legalising homosexuality? The bible says each person will be judged alone on the day of judgement. Why make laws which punish people on seexual orientation?
The best approach will be to remove laws which are targeted at gay people because these people will be answerable to God alone not fellow men.
It is a bigger sin to play God.
kamenga D
November 17, 2011 at 7:45 pm
Am pentecost but am always disappointed with our pastors when it comes to money. Theys a lot of examples but i dont want to mention names. I recomend our president for leaving them out. Sata is a think tank wait and see. He is going to give us a constitution that all our prevous presidents failed.
Tumbwe
November 17, 2011 at 7:58 pm
they want to introduce gayism..they dont know the Bible these catholic men..
Pragmatist 2011
November 17, 2011 at 8:52 pm
The three church mother bodies which boycotted the infamous NCC are the Evangelical Fellowship of Zambia Council of Churches in Zambia and the Zambia Episcopal Conference. EFZ is the umbrella body of evangelical and moderate genuine pentecostal churches, CCZ is the umbrella body of main stream protestant churches such as UCZ, Reformed Church in Zambia, Presbyteran Church, Baptist Church, Church of Christ, Church of God etc. ZEC represents the Catholic Church and it is not an umbrella body because there is only one Catholic Church and it is the largest unitary christian organisation in Zambia and in the world. Organisations prophesying christianity but refuse to subsribe to any of the three church mother bodies are Jehovah’Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists and a mirriad of individual centered churches. A new phenomenon of independent churches in Zambia has come to symbolise opportunistic pentecostal churches and these are the ones which took part in NCC. The SDA was also represented there. So when calling for the representation of pentecostal churches on the constituted constitution committee, we should have in mind those pentecostals which belong to EFZ. I support the calls to have one representative from EFZ. To accommodate this one, the number of Catholic bishops should be reduced from three to two. But fellows like Joshua Banda and Masupa should not utter anything in this constitution process. They belong to opportunistic churches.
Snipper
November 17, 2011 at 11:26 pm
Has the so called Council for Bishops gone into oblivion? I thought they are supposed to be very vocal on this matter which pertains to their office! You will remember well that this council was very lively before the tripatite elections!
SHAKA OZ
November 18, 2011 at 12:09 am
VIVA PF and TKC,
You are MOROON CHIMPANZEES with The Roman Catholi Member your so called Zimba who have short memories with your EVIL Roman Catholic Bishops who have no morals to support Sata’s unprincipled appointments of corrupt people like Chungu and Miti!
How can you forget that through the OASIS Forum Pentecostal Pastors and Bishops stood up to Chiluba’s Third Term?
LAZ Chairman Mwenya is a Pentecostal Christian, Bishop Mambo, Bishop Mususu is Evangelical e.t.c. All these stood up to evil MMD schemes.
So what reason do you have to support the EVIL Roman Catholic Church Bishop persecuting of Protestant Christians through Sata’s ill conceived plan to persecute his political enemies through these.
This will definitely backfire on the Roman Catholic Church involvement with Sata’s government, just as it happened in Rwanda’s Genocide and the way the Evil Roman Catholic Church Priests supported Hitler and remained quiet during the persecution of Jews in German by Hitler
mafupa yokoyoko
November 18, 2011 at 11:06 am
STOP BEING BITTER AND PETTY FOR NOTHING MY FRD,THE PIPO APPOINTED ARE ALL COMPETENT AND AM SURE WE WILL HAVE THE BEST CONSTITUTION.WITH DUE RESPECT ALL THE PENTECOSTAL MEMBERS U HAVE MENTIONED ARE RESPECTABLE PIPO BUT WE CANT HAVE EVRY 1 ON BOARD.
SHAKA OZ
November 18, 2011 at 12:26 am
SNIPPER & PRAGMATIST 2011,
You blind EVIL Roman Catholic false Christians! You make me feel like vomiting right now because of your blindness of not seeing the DANGER in these actions of EXCLUDING Pentecostal/Evangelical/Protestant Christians out of this Constitution making.
What will happen is that counter reaction to this: is that Pentecostals with all the Evangelicals will start praying to vote for their own Born Again President like Godfrey Miyanda or Nevers Mumba as they feel that they being persecuted in their own country Zambia.
The Evil Roman Catholic Church Bishops are used to fomenting inter faith FIGHTING as they have done in Northern Ireland. Zambian Christians do not want fighting over issues that can be avoided like this simple issue.
No intimidation will ever suppress dissent views so Sata and his EVIL Roman Catholic Bishops are bound to fail and will face the same fate that former President Banda and his MMD faced during the September 2011 elections.
Shame on you ignorant dwellers!
Joe Silumba (JS)
November 18, 2011 at 9:08 am
President Michael Sata should not sow a seed of hatred among Zambian as already noticed on these comments. We have hope in him that he will unite Zambia, tribally and religiously. Does he want Pentecostals to turn to Dr Mumba Nevers if he is made to lead MMD or Godfrey Miyanda and campaign for them openly? Will PF be comfortable with that? I advisw Sata not to blindly follow the Roman Catholic ill advices. The EFZ as an organisation did not support NCC. Those who attended did so as individuals just as some individual Catholic Bishops actively participated in partisan politics and used ungodly language. Yet we do not generalise Catholic Church. Why are they generalising EFZ. Fighting the Pentecostals unfairly will lead to your own failure because the GOD we worship answers by FIRE.
mafupa yokoyoko
November 18, 2011 at 9:26 am
IWE HAMS,U DONT KNO JEHOVAS WITNESSES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RUNNING OF THIS CONTRY AND THEY DONT BELIEVE IN THE CONSTITUTION OF ZAMBIA.